Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Giss Neric

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I am slated to be there over Halloween. I noticed that MK changed their hours from 6pm to 7pm. 6pm was to allow for MNSSHP to start and remove guest I would expect. Does this mean that the Party will not happen?
They always change stuff often. August is still two months away before the first MNSSHP.

I think what they'll do is party nights will still happen but reduce the party nights in half and will probably start late September or even October. It still depends if people would still like it to happen. People still would like Horror Nights to happen at Universal.
 

Mainahman

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I am slated to be there over Halloween. I noticed that MK changed their hours from 6pm to 7pm. 6pm was to allow for MNSSHP to start and remove guest I would expect. Does this mean that the Party will not happen?
We have tickets to opening night to MNSSHP, but i guess they will cancel it, if they dont, hopefully it will be like the party we went to in september where there was a like 15 minute wait for mine train.
 

DCBaker

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"Legoland became the first California theme park to target a post-COVID-19 reopening date as the state moves closer to allowing thrill seekers of every age to once again climb aboard roller coasters, water slides and kiddie rides this summer.

Legoland California has set a target reopening date of July 1 following an extended coronavirus closure of the Carlsbad kiddie park."

"Legoland and other California theme parks currently closed by the COVID-19 pandemic can reopen during Stage 3 of Gov. Gavin Newsom’s four-stage roadmap for reopening California’s economy. A firm date has not been established for when California theme parks can reopen."

 

brianstl

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I understand what your saying but the last paragraph of your post will never happen. It would be ideal but to expect people to not have close contact with family or anyone else after their vacation is a pipe dream. They are having a problem doing it now. Also to expect families to leave their parents home while they visit, or to have people, like DVC members and others that don’t have kids and are older to not go is also unlikely. I personally know 4 DVC families with no kids, 2 of the families are 60 and above. I see your point but you are talking best case scenario.
If you really want to protect your elderly relatives don’t visit them in enclosed indoor spaces. This is true today and it will be true when everything opens. The elderly shouldn’t be going to places like WDW right now. It is right there in the warnings from the CDC and is more important than the mask recommendation for preventing loss of life. I find it amazing that people who scream about someone at Disney Springs by themself at the stage area with their mask down are worried about their parents at WDW. If you were really worried about them and actually listened to the experts you would do everything you could to reschedule the trip or just say we aren’t going.
 

Chi84

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Is it really useful to tell people who should or shouldn't visit Disney or what they should or shouldn't do with respect to their elderly relatives? It seems presumptuous if you don't know all of their circumstances. There's a lot we don't know about the virus, but one thing we do know is that it has a disproportionately severe impact on the elderly. It's not as though someone is going to read a post here, have a lightbulb go off and say, "Wow, we never thought about whether this would be a good idea for grandma and grandpa - thanks for the advice!"
 
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hopemax

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I wish I knew if by October or December things will be back to normal or not. If what is currently in place when it opens in July is like that the remainder of the year, I won’t be going like most I’m sad to say.

It’s going to be interesting to see what happens but I’m really hoping some of these changes/restrictions are short lived. I did notice the October hours have been updated to the restricted times however.

what do you think about how long these changes will last?
People have to be cognizant of the state of the virus. Only 5-10% of the population has had it (more in the NE). Nothing has been said its less contagious than what we originally thought. Right now, suppression combined with some hopefully seasonal conditions has kept the spread at a manageable level. We are sort of in an eye of a hurricane, waiting to find out if our assumptions about seasonality, outdoor transmission potential and social distancing/mask wearing compliance keeps things at a manageable level.

I don't have any optimism for December. I don't see why the virus would be any different next late fall/early winter than it was last year. Except, instead of the starting line being only in China, it will be everywhere. October, IMO, depends on human behavior. If numbers don't get worse, then it will be more normal, but I still don't see it being completely normal.

Normal only really returns when the virus has run its course. A contained spread or vaccine is still more of a 2 year timeline. Unconstrained spread would be faster, but Disney management would have to be a willing participant. If the medical community says, "we tried, there is no option other than just letting everyone get sick, and the chips fall where they may," that would lead to more normal. But I don't think we are there yet, either as a country or Disney as a company. Certainly, not for 2020 operations. If they remain open when the numbers inevitably rise, it will be under restrictions.
 

DisneyDebRob

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If you really want to protect your elderly relatives don’t visit them in enclosed indoor spaces. This is true today and it will be true when everything opens. The elderly shouldn’t be going to places like WDW right now. It is right there in the warnings from the CDC and is more important than the mask recommendation for preventing loss of life. I find it amazing that people who scream about someone at Disney Springs by themself at the stage area with their mask down are worried about their parents at WDW. If you were really worried about them and actually listened to the experts you would do everything you could to reschedule the trip or just say we aren’t going.
I think most, or I would hope most know the correct things to do when it comes to parents, the elderly and senior citizens by now. Must be living under a rock if you don’t.
 

brianstl

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Is it really useful to tell people who should or shouldn't visit Disney or what they should or shouldn't do with respect to their elderly relatives? It seems presumptuous if you don't know all of their circumstances. There's a lot we don't know about the virus, but one thing we do know is that it has a disproportionately severe impact on the elderly. It's not as though someone is going to read a post here, have a lightbulb go off and say, "Wow, we never thought about whether this would be a good idea for grandma and grandpa - thanks for the advice!"
Hey do we want to just pick and choose the CDC guidelines that don’t offend you or others? It seems the consensus is we shouldn’t do that with masks. If people are going to go all hardcore about the recommendations from the experts it really seems hypocritical to pick and choose from them on what we should and shouldn’t tell people to do.
 

Disstevefan1

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I have been working on some home projects while in my quarantine status and I discovered today that I needed a few supplies from Lowe's. I made a trip down to my local Lowe's wearing my mask. I found my needed supplies and then stood in line to pay. All of the cash register lanes had social distancing squares spaced about 6 feet apart and I joined the line on my square three people back from the cash register.

As I was waiting in line, another customer also joined the line behind me. However, rather than occupying the square six feet back, he got right behind me with less than a foot of distance between us. I asked him to move back to the social distancing square, but he said to me, "Naw, you've got plenty of room". I then stepped out of line and looked for another register to pay for my items.

As I walked away, I noticed a rather big and burly Lowe's associate (wearing a mask) come swiftly within not more than six feet of me and he asked me to stop. He quickly moved past me and confronted the man who had been behind me in line. The Lowe's associate took the merchandise from the man and demanded he leave the store immediately. The man began to say something ("This is America and you've got no right...") but the Lowe's associate interrupted him and stated loudly, "You've got 30 seconds to get out that door before I throw you out."

The associate then invited me to return to the line as he then escorted the social distancing violator outside.

After I made my purchases and went outside to my car, I noticed the same man being interviewed by a county deputy in front of the store.

Wow, excellent job of enforcement by that Lowe’s employee! I must ask, what state did this happen in?
 

Chi84

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Hey do we want to just pick and choose the CDC guidelines that don’t offend you or others? It seems the consensus is we shouldn’t do that with masks. If people are going to go all hardcore about the recommendations from the experts it really seems hypocritical to pick and choose from them on what we should and shouldn’t tell people to do.
Guidelines, by their very nature and definition, allow for variations in application. Otherwise, they would be called laws or rules. The CDC guidelines speak of older individuals as people over 65. That category covers a vast number of people who may be quite different in attitudes, individual circumstances, risk tolerance, etc. A couple who are 65 years old, maintain a healthy weight and diet, exercise regularly and have no serious health problems (and who possibly have a lot of DVC points lol), may be willing to take the risk of visiting Disney despite the fact that age alone weakens a person's immune system. As long as they abide by any actual laws or rules of the venue (such as wearing a face mask), their decision on where to go or how much risk to take should be respected. Older adults, and their relatives, loved ones or the people responsible for them have the right to make these decisions without being told by others what they should or shouldn't do.
 

Patcheslee

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Guidelines, by their very nature and definition, allow for variations in application. Otherwise, they would be called laws or rules. The CDC guidelines speak of older individuals as people over 65. That category covers a vast number of people who may be quite different in attitudes, individual circumstances, risk tolerance, etc. A couple who are 65 years old, maintain a healthy weight and diet, exercise regularly and have no serious health problems (and who possibly have a lot of DVC points lol), may be willing to take the risk of visiting Disney despite the fact that age alone weakens a person's immune system. As long as they abide by any actual laws or rules of the venue (such as wearing a face mask), their decision on where to go or how much risk to take should be respected. Older adults, and their relatives, loved ones or the people responsible for them have the right to make these decisions without being told by others what they should or shouldn't do.
I have a MIL and FIL who are both in the high risk category that still plan their cruise for September, don't restrict movement, or wear masks in public. It's their decision to go or not, and other than we've asked them to limit visits with DD11 to outdoor and through glass it's not our call. Whether they will be allowed to board for a cruise is a different story though.
 

Miss Bella

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I love the short memories everyone has. I saw NOBODY thinking Disney would open in July until very recently, probably when it was known Universal was opening soon.

Plenty of folks said Epcot was done for the year. People were saying not till after summer.

I mean, until Universal's move, many were saying the whole country would be closed for a lot more time.

But, yeah, sure,you all thought this would happen...
Yes I think there’s a lot of truth to that. I can’t speak for everyone, but I was surprised by Universals June 5 date. I noticed a lot people started making predictions after that. As to wether Universal forced their hand I can’t say.

I do remember a few days before the Universal announcement the Delta CEO saying Disney would have an announcement soon. It may have already been in the works. Of course we won’t know if July 11 was always the opening date.
 

Miss Bella

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I have a MIL and FIL who are both in the high risk category that still plan their cruise for September, don't restrict movement, or wear masks in public. It's their decision to go or not, and other than we've asked them to limit visits with DD11 to outdoor and through glass it's not our call. Whether they will be allowed to board for a cruise is a different story though.
There’s no way we would ever tell my MIL and FIL what to do. They are adults not children they make their own decisions. They love cruising I’m sure they’ll be back at it whenever cruises resume. I heard some rumors about some cruise lines restricting guests over 70, but I don’t know if that will happen. Retired folks are some cruise lines main customers.
 

brianstl

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Guidelines, by their very nature and definition, allow for variations in application. Otherwise, they would be called laws or rules. The CDC guidelines speak of older individuals as people over 65. That category covers a vast number of people who may be quite different in attitudes, individual circumstances, risk tolerance, etc. A couple who are 65 years old, maintain a healthy weight and diet, exercise regularly and have no serious health problems (and who possibly have a lot of DVC points lol), may be willing to take the risk of visiting Disney despite the fact that age alone weakens a person's immune system. As long as they abide by any actual laws or rules of the venue (such as wearing a face mask), their decision on where to go or how much risk to take should be respected. Older adults, and their relatives, loved ones or the people responsible for them have the right to make these decisions without being told by others what they should or shouldn't do.
We didn’t respect anyone’s decision on how much risk they were willing to take for two months. People were thrown in jail for surfing by themselves with no one around. I don’t think we should throw seniors in jail or ban them from places, but if you want to really save lives people should really make it clear to their older loved ones that there are some behaviors they shouldn’t be taking part in right now. It doesn’t matter what kind of shape they are in. Advanced age by itself is the single biggest risk factor for the most serious complications of COVID 19. People are more than willing to tell almost everyone else what to do, but the single biggest thing you can do to save lives for those at the highest risk is for some reason taboo.
 

wannabeBelle

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There’s no way we would ever tell my MIL and FIL what to do. They are adults not children they make their own decisions. They love cruising I’m sure they’ll be back at it whenever cruises resume. I heard some rumors about some cruise lines restricting guests over 70, but I don’t know if that will happen. Retired folks are some cruise lines main customers.
They have removed this restriction as per CLIA. Ill see if I can find the official announcement on this one. Marie
 
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