Coranavirus Disneyland General Discussion

[CaptinEO]

My point is that there are literally millions of professionals that have been wearing masks daily for decades in worse conditions than what has been requested of the public to date. And I have family members who have been in nursing for longer than you have been alive, and they don't and have never complained about not being able to breathe.

Also professional athlete's have been using mask training for decades as a way to improve stamina and blood oxygenation. I've personally known many NFL players that have done this since the 80s and have survived without a single ill-effect.

So these ideas that masks hinder a persons breathing or otherwise normal functionality of life is a bit ridiculous.

Stop your ignorance. I never said no one could physically breathe in a mask, just that they cant wait to take theirs off.

If professionals enjoy masks so much then why dont they wear them 24/7 even when not clocked in? Clearly they are uncomfortable in some regard.

You are ridiculous.

 

[Disney Irish]

Stop your ignorance. I never said no one could physically breathe in a mask, just that they cant wait to take theirs off.

If professionals enjoy masks so much then why dont they wear them 24/7 even when not clocked in? Clearly they are uncomfortable in some regard.

You are ridiculous.

You literally said this with an eye roll:

Yes its all in their head, masks actually dont make any difference in breathing

To which I made a reply. And I'll add to it by saying this:

If it was such an issue with breathing then millions of professionals who depend on breathing for many functions including higher brain function wouldn't wear them. As it would affect their performance on the job. Not to mention that the companies such as 3M and others that make masks would have a financial incentive to improve the breathing capability in the masks because there would be such a huge complaint.

 

[SoCalDisneyLover]

I don't think anybody enjoys wearing a mask, or finds it a comfortable experience. Nobody's saying, "hey, these masks are a great thing, I can't wait to get to the office so I can put one on."

I went 53 years without wearing one, and I very much would like to go back to that way 24/7. Hate having to remember to take one with me, everytime I'm going into public. But, you know. Covid, and those people who refuse to get vaccinated so the virus can be fully contained.

 

[CaptinEO]

You literally said this with an eye roll:



To which I made a reply. And I'll add to it by saying this:

If it was such an issue with breathing then millions of professionals who depend on breathing for many functions including higher brain function wouldn't wear them. As it would affect their performance on the job. Not to mention that the companies such as 3M and others that make masks would have a financial incentive to improve the breathing capability in the masks because there would be such a huge complaint.

I said masks make a difference in breathing. I never said that masks make it so you cant breath. You have a point to prove that has nothing to do with me and you are arguing to some imaginary person.

I got the vaccine way back in February and was one of the early ones, you think I'm against vaccines or masks for some odd reason because I say they make a difference in breathing and are uncomfortable.

You have medical friends who love their masks, that's fine, mine can't wait to take theirs off, nothing wrong with that and everyone is different.

 

[CaptinEO]

I don’t understand. If you don’t like it, why support it?

Some people think that if you find masks uncomfortable that it means you are against health or following rules.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Lordt, these last couple of posts… Really?

 

[Disney Irish]

I said masks make a difference in breathing. I never said that masks make it so you cant breath. You have a point to prove that has nothing to do with me and you are arguing to some imaginary person.

I got the vaccine way back in February and was one of the early ones, you think I'm against vaccines or masks for some odd reason because I say they make a difference in breathing and are uncomfortable.

You have medical friends who love their masks, that's fine, mine can't wait to take theirs off, nothing wrong with that and everyone is different.

No where did I say anyone I knew "love their mask". My point is that you made the eye rolling jab that the perceived difficultly breathing can't be in someones mind, and that is what I take issue with (also never claimed you were against vaccines or masks). Sure everyone is different, by my overall point is that if there really was true difference in breathing, so much so that it makes someone pass out, that the medical community wouldn't be using them. Because it would cause them to be deficient in their job, especially people like first responders and surgeons who wear their masks sometimes in very uncomfortable situations for many hours without breaks.

So if you personally find it difficult or somehow there being a difference in breathing, well sorry that is happening to you. Maybe look into a different type of mask. Disney sells some nice ones on the Disney Store, maybe try those.

 

[SoCalDisneyLover]

Speaking of masks. Orange County's Case Rate Doubled from last week's total. I still think it's only a matter of time before the county requires them indoors again.

 

[mickEblu]

Speaking of masks. Orange County's Case Rate Doubled from last week's total. I still think it's only a matter of time before the county requires them indoors again.

And then conveniently when summer ends and flu season is coming in they ll be required outdoors again.

 

[smooch]

This is a really nice post. But you're still overstating the risks of "severe side effects" from the vaccines. The most common "severe side effects" from vaccination occur with rates measured in the single digits per million, or about 0.0001%, not 0.1%. Your odds of severe health problems due to Covid, for all demographic groups, are much higher than this figure. Even in the lowest risk group, your odds of hospitalization due to Covid infection is a factor of 10-100 higher, and your odds of significant longterm health impacts due to Covid infection are factors of 10 higher than that.

It can not be overstated how much safer it is to get the vaccination than it is to be infected, even if you are in a low risk group for Covid hospitalization or death. There's no comparison and it's not a question.

I actually originally typed out the chances being basically 1 in a million but thought people who still need convincing would assume I'm exaggerating so it sounds like my original sentiment was much much more accurate. Oh well, not like people who need convincing still aren't operating on bad faith arguments.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

And then conveniently when summer ends and flu season is coming in they ll be required outdoors again.

At the current rate of exponential growth and with vaccinations seemingly plateauing if that’s all we have to contend with in terms of restrictions that may be considered modest by then.

 

[October82]

And then conveniently when summer ends and flu season is coming in they ll be required outdoors again.

Being outdoors doesn't protect you if someone coughs or sneezes on you. But outside of that, as long as you're not in a large crowd, outdoor transmission is pretty rare.

The difference between Covid and influenza, afaik, is that the flu doesn't have the long asymptomatic period. So universal masking isn't going to be necessary. We do need to figure out how to get people to stay home and mask when sick during flu season though. Doing so would save thousands of lives every winter.

 

[mickEblu]

Why is the mainstream media building so much distrust in the vaccine by hyping up stories about vaccinated people getting the virus?

I don’t watch a lot of news but I saw BBC reporting that 60% of people being admitted to hospitals with Covid are double vaccinated. Here they re calling it “pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

 

[smooch]

Why is the mainstream media building so much distrust in the vaccine by hyping up stories about vaccinated people getting the virus?

It isn't building distrust if you can listen to the stories in full and think critically. Yes people are getting the virus while vaccinated, but the cases are not severe and very rarely end up in the hospital but unvaccinated people who catch COVID do. The stories are being told so people are aware that although we do have vaccines we are still very well in the middle of a global pandemic of a deadly virus, and to keep people aware that even if you're vaccinated you should still take some precautions. I am vaccinated and am mostly back to normal but I don't eat out still, but I do go to stores / activities. In my office I wipe down my work station any time someone else uses it since I work the front desk instead of having my own specific cubicle. I swear you keep saying the media is telling people they still need to lock themselves away and wear a mask 24/7 even if they're vaccinated which they're not. Yes I agree modern mainstream media sucks and uses fearmongering for clicks for revenue, but it has been explained dozens of times in this thread alone and you keep going back to strawman arguments that equate to basically why the vaccine is dangerous and why people should just not take the vaccine but go back to normal life anyways. It honestly feels like you're ignoring everything everyone is saying that doesn't align with how you feel about the virus and masks and such and just talking in circles.

 

[Mickeyboof]

I don’t watch a lot of news but I saw BBC reporting that 60% of people being admitted to hospitals with Covid are double vaccinated. Here they re calling it “pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

Noticed this too- however Patrick Vallance misspoke, which is unfortunate. 60% are of the unvaccinated.

Please get your vaccines friends! I don’t want anyone to be hospitalized after a packed, germy and unmasked trip to Disneyland!

Sources:

60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser

Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.

www.reuters.com

 

[mickEblu]

Noticed this too- however Patrick Vallance misspoke, which is unfortunate. 60% are of the unvaccinated.

Please get your vaccines friends! I don’t want anyone to be hospitalized after a packed, germy and unmasked trip to Disneyland!

Sources:

60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser

Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.

www.reuters.com

This sounds more accurate. I can buy into this. Hardly a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” though

 

[October82]

This sounds more accurate. I can buy into this. Hardly a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” though

There is certainly something off about this statistic. It just isn't consistent with the epidemiological data in other countries, and I suspect there is some highly relevant qualifier that hasn't been accurately repeated. We aren't seeing anything like this in the US - almost all hospitalizations in the US are in unvaccinated individuals.

That said, we expect the proportion of people with severe Covid who have been vaccinated to increase over time because the number of people who have been vaccinated increases over time. That means a larger number of people are vaccinated, and hence a larger number will experience rare breakthrough infections. That doesn't mean that vaccination leaves you at risk for infection, it just means the vaccines aren't 100% effective (they're something like 90-95% effective against delta).

It is also important to clarify what "vaccinated means", you are only vaccinated if you have had both shots of the mRNA vaccines. In the UK, a large part of the population has only received one dose, and those people are not protected against symptomatic Covid in the way those who have received both doses are.

Something else that isn't talked about enough is that not everyone is at the same risk. If you have an underlying health condition or work in healthcare, you are at a higher total risk for severe Covid, even after being vaccinated. While we can't end the pandemic with personal responsibility, having a realistic understanding of your risks is really important for protecting yourself, even after you're vaccinated.

 

[Stevek]

It isn't building distrust if you can listen to the stories in full and think critically. Yes people are getting the virus while vaccinated, but the cases are not severe and very rarely end up in the hospital but unvaccinated people who catch COVID do. The stories are being told so people are aware that although we do have vaccines we are still very well in the middle of a global pandemic of a deadly virus, and to keep people aware that even if you're vaccinated you should still take some precautions. I am vaccinated and am mostly back to normal but I don't eat out still, but I do go to stores / activities. In my office I wipe down my work station any time someone else uses it since I work the front desk instead of having my own specific cubicle. I swear you keep saying the media is telling people they still need to lock themselves away and wear a mask 24/7 even if they're vaccinated which they're not. Yes I agree modern mainstream media sucks and uses fearmongering for clicks for revenue, but it has been explained dozens of times in this thread alone and you keep going back to strawman arguments that equate to basically why the vaccine is dangerous and why people should just not take the vaccine but go back to normal life anyways. It honestly feels like you're ignoring everything everyone is saying that doesn't align with how you feel about the virus and masks and such and just talking in circles.

Unfortunately, we are in a world that gravitates towards headlines and rarely reads beyond that.

 

[mickEblu]

Unfortunately, we are in a world that gravitates towards headlines and rarely reads beyond that.

More importantly we live in world where we can’t trust the headlines

 

[truecoat]

I know I'm a few pages late for this point but after reading to catch up I noticed multiple people saying masks were giving people PTSD and tying that to nurses saying there's been increases in su*c*des / attempts, is this a serious argument? That masks are causing PTSD and driving people to su*c*de? I highly highly doubt wearing a mask is what's pushing people over the edge, and would attribute that more to social isolation we all went through, the worst loss of jobs in decades in the country, people being unable to afford rent, not receiving any assistance for these conditions, and potentially losing friends and family members from a novel viral disease, not to mention the civil unrest and all the political conflict surrounding the BLM protests, election, etc. Sorry if I'm being rude but I really don't know who gets PTSD from putting on a mask, or how it has "caused health problems" according to some people. People in other countries wear them all the time especially when sick when going about their lives and there's never been a problem in those countries, is there something magical in the air in the US that causes masks to make people sick? Why do surgeons not have problems performing operations for multiple hours while wearing a mask? If you can't breathe in a mask consider switching from a cloth mask to a single use paper one, they're much more comfortable / easier to breathe in.

As others have said it feels like lots of people (not in this thread, just in the country in general) have not paid attention to anything from the last year and have not changed their minds on the science / facts since the pandemic started and we knew nothing about COVID. It's honestly exhausting, and the most exhausting part to me is the people who scream the loudest about masks and lockdowns are also the reason they are coming back because they refuse to get vaccinated, it would be ironically funny if it wasn't affecting the entire country. I feel like it's pretty simple, if more people get vaccinated then the virus spreads less and is less severe in those who do contract it. If more people get vaccinated then we won't go back to masks indoors and such. At a certain point people exercising their "freedom" to not get vaccinated causes sickness, death, and economic destruction. Someone said that the government's job isn't to keep you safe when that is the literal reason our government was founded, we give up some of our individual freedoms in exchange for a government that serves our interests and protects us, both from foreign and domestic issues.

Obviously this is all complicated with many facets of how it affects us individually and as a country, but I feel tired of this. It feels like lots of people are stuck in their perception of the virus at the start of the pandemic and refuse to admit they're wrong and change their understanding as we learn more about the virus over a year later. And like others said before our country doesn't care about the common good anymore, people are selfish and cause harm to themselves and others because they don't want to be inconvenienced by putting a mask on to go grocery shopping and act like we are living under a totalitarian dictatorship because some people want others to wear masks for their 30 minute grocery store trip so they don't unknowingly spread a disease in the middle of a global pandemic. Rugged American individualism is destroying our nation's sense of unity, and even local communities.

As a side note, suicide rates have been rising for quite a few years but in 2020 they decreased despite a lot rumors.

2020 suicide rate