Continued: Nobody at IOA Am I daydreaming?? lol..

Disney4648

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Okay I will give Islands of Adventure a little credit. The Hulk and Jurassic Park River Adventure are great rides with an excellent theme to them. But then tell me this...will a 7 year old go on the Hulk or Dueling Dragons..I think not and it would be so boring. And gettting back to the point im trying to make is that you dont put a Toon Town Fair wanna be in a Thrill Ride park...and im talking about Seuss Landing....darn those Universal Designers are weird.:drevil:
 

Rider

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They wanted a park with something for everyone, and you can't blame them for trying.

Plus they do have two kiddy coasters.
 

ToTBellHop

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disney isn't REPLACING the Earfel Tower. They just built an icon that more people would see...most people like the Sorcerer Hat. That's why it was decided only two months after it was completed that it would be a permanent structure and the park's official icon.
 

DigitalDisney

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they should've put the kiddy rides at Universal Studios
Umm...USF has a whole section dedicated to kids stuff. Woody Woodpecker's Kidzone has ET, Animal Actors, Nuthouse coaster, Feivel's Playland, and Curious George Town.
 

Rider

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Originally posted by Disney4648
I dont give IOA any credit. I think that if they were smart, then they should've put the kiddy rides at Universal Studios.

Why? Because family rides and thrill rides cant be in the same park?

MK
MGM
EPCOT
AK
DL

All have thrill rides and family rides.
 

Luau Cove

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Originally posted by DigitalDisney
Umm...USF has a whole section dedicated to kids stuff. Woody Woodpecker's Kidzone has ET, Animal Actors, Nuthouse coaster, Feivel's Playland, and Curious George Town.

All Universal Studios rides can be presenced by kids, maybe BTTF is a bit rough, but the others, save from being scared, kids can ride perfectly.

-->Luau
 
I have to say, while Disney is about my favorite place in the world to be, I do love Islands of Adventure.

The water rides can't be beat -- Popeye is long with lots of surprises, Dudley Dooright has that great final drop, and Jurassic Park is just, wow!
And is there a ride out there that can really match the amazing (yet unreliable) Spiderman! I think the Spiderman movie will give that park a little push. And Seuss Landing is just adorable -- I just wish they'd finish that darn Hop on Pop ride already! And I was totally blown away by Poseidon's Fury the first time I saw it -- after the remake it's not nearly as good in my opinion. OH, and the funky sushi thing at Mythos. I love that restaurant!

But someone earlier said that the Hulk coaster is well themed -- WHAT? It's an AWESOME coaster -- as a matter of fact it's my favorite of all the coasters I've ever been on -- but it's theming is so weak!
 
Originally posted by Disney4648
...will a 7 year old go on the Hulk or Dueling Dragons..I think not

I should introduce you to my nephew! At 6, he was doing Tower of Terror and begging to go on Rock 'n Roller coaster over and over again. Last summer, he'd just turned 8 when we took him to Islands of Adventure. He was a little bored with Dueling Dragons -- I think he was too short to really get the effect of the coasters coming close together -- but he loved Hulk and did it three times! Different kids do different things -- another of my nephews wouldn't have anything to do with any of those rides and went to SeaWorld instead!
 

Tom Morrow

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Originally posted by Married@WDW
But someone earlier said that the Hulk coaster is well themed -- WHAT? It's an AWESOME coaster -- as a matter of fact it's my favorite of all the coasters I've ever been on -- but it's theming is so weak!

Compared to most attempts at theming coasters (besides Disney's), Hulk is actually pretty well done. The problem is, people compare IOA and expect it to be as good as Disney, when they shouldn't. Instead, they should realize that IOA has done a better job than most parks out there, at least, theming wise.



Also, there isn't one park on the planet that doesn't have a mix of kiddie rides and thrill rides. Even Cedar Point or SFMM.
 

MrPromey

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Originally posted by Married@WDW


I should introduce you to my nephew! At 6, he was doing Tower of Terror and begging to go on Rock 'n Roller coaster over and over again. Last summer, he'd just turned 8 when we took him to Islands of Adventure. He was a little bored with Dueling Dragons -- I think he was too short to really get the effect of the coasters coming close together -- but he loved Hulk and did it three times! Different kids do different things -- another of my nephews wouldn't have anything to do with any of those rides and went to SeaWorld instead!

Your nephew must be pretty tall. At the age of six, I don't think most kids are tall enough to ride on most of these rides.
 

MrPromey

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Originally posted by Tom Morrow


Compared to most attempts at theming coasters (besides Disney's), Hulk is actually pretty well done. The problem is, people compare IOA and expect it to be as good as Disney, when they shouldn't. Instead, they should realize that IOA has done a better job than most parks out there, at least, theming wise.



Also, there isn't one park on the planet that doesn't have a mix of kiddie rides and thrill rides. Even Cedar Point or SFMM.

Off the top of your head, can you give me a specific themed element of the ride beyond the color of the cars?
 
Originally posted by MrPromey


Off the top of your head, can you give me a specific themed element of the ride beyond the color of the cars?

THANKS! That's what I was thinking too. They do show a rather disjointed Hulk cartoon while you're in line, but I just don't see the theming either. Batman at Six Flags has better theming.

And as for my nephew, we are a tall family, but the height requirements aren't THAT high. I really never gave it much thought before. But ToT is only about 40 inches and RnR is I think either 44 or 48 inches. My niece made that without a problem this summer at six years old, too. I think 4 feet tall is normal for an average six-year-old, isn't it? I know my nephew couldn't do Cyber Space Mountain on our first trip, but that has a higher height requirement than most of the park rides.
 

Luau Cove

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Originally posted by MrPromey


Off the top of your head, can you give me a specific themed element of the ride beyond the color of the cars?

The story is you have been affected by gamma rays and so you need to go extremely quick to the desinfection zone (which is under the bridge) to avoid mutation. This is not something I made up, is the official story and it's not a bad one, after all RnRc has a similar concept of being in a rush and going fast.

-->luau
 
OK. But theming is about what the place looks like, too, not just the storyline. And it looks like bright colored railing and cement with TV screens all around. And where do they tell you this story -- in the cartoon? I've been on Hulk at least 10 times, always with at least a 30 minute way and I'd say half of those times I was alone -- and I've never caught on to this story!
 

MrPromey

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Original Poster
Originally posted by Luau Cove


The story is you have been affected by gamma rays and so you need to go extremely quick to the desinfection zone (which is under the bridge) to avoid mutation. This is not something I made up, is the official story and it's not a bad one, after all RnRc has a similar concept of being in a rush and going fast.

-->luau

I agree with Married on this, where is it that they explain the point of the ride? If that's the case, a new sign, a new coat of paint and a new video could change the theme of this ride almost completely. Actually, they could probably just change the sign and the video and make it something totally different in regards th the theme. As for theme elements on the ride, I don't think the Hulk really has any and while the queue area of DD is very, very well done, the only theme element that it carries on the ride itself is the fiberglass cars which loosely make up a dragon and is not any more detailed than another B&M inverted coaster I've been on (Montu, Bush Gardens, FL) In fact, Universal could have learned something from Montu because the theme for the area that ride is in, is egyptian and the track circles around and in and through egyptian "ruins" along the way. It's a real shame that they could not have continued the theme that they start as you wait in line by throwing up a few crumbling walls or arches along DD. Even with the track still visible from everywhere, I think it would have done a lot to create the "theme" of this ride. As it stands now, the theme seems to simply be a way to keep your mind a little busy while you wait in line. In any event, if someone was going to say that DD were themed, I'd understand what they are talking about but aren't Superman: The Escape and Batman just as themed if not more so than the Hulk? I mean, it's a great roller coaster and I'm not disputing that at all but I think that's about all Universal intended it to be.
 

Rider

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The Cars are VERY well themed on DD.

The front car has a head on the top, a bottom jaw on the bottom and the OTSR are colred like a tounge (while the other OTSRs are differnt color). The rest of the cars have claws coming up between the riders legs and over head the the body of the dragon.

As for durring the ride the castle is always there and the ICE dragon just misses it. Not to mention the water and trees (although little). I'd say it has more durring ride theming then Space Mountain or possiblly RnRC.
 

Luau Cove

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Exactly. And the queu theming is really spectacular. Very detailed, with some extra-ordinary effects like the digital glass and the many holes and skeletons makes it one of the most entertaining lines I've ever been. As for the cars, they are very well done. It's obviously the two dragons, and I can't really think a better idea to theme a roller coaster of these type. After all, you can't pay attention to anything of what's going on.

-->Luau
 

MrPromey

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Originally posted by Rider
The Cars are VERY well themed on DD.

The front car has a head on the top, a bottom jaw on the bottom and the OTSR are colred like a tounge (while the other OTSRs are differnt color). The rest of the cars have claws coming up between the riders legs and over head the the body of the dragon.

As for durring the ride the castle is always there and the ICE dragon just misses it. Not to mention the water and trees (although little). I'd say it has more durring ride theming then Space Mountain or possiblly RnRC.

Dare to compare? First take a good look at the pictures from the first link. It has a few good shots of the cars of DD at IOA, then follow the second link over to a company that specializes in cutting edge ride themes for their products and look at their dragon themed coasters and explain to me how much more elaborate and advanced DD's cars are in comparison - theme only.


http://www.ridezone.com/opparks/F/Usf/ioa/dd.htm


http://www.astroamusements.com/ourmidway/kiddy/kiddy_coasters.html




As I said before, the theme of the queue line area is totally top notch. If all you did was stand in line on this attraction it would get an A+ in my book for theme. I really liked the way they did the stained glass trick - my only complaint with that is that I've seen a line go that far back and the one time that I stoped to watch it in it's entirety, I had people shoving past me. Perhaps this would have been something better to have in that last area just after you split between the two coasters but then the scenery you pass on the way there wouldn't make a whole lot of sense so I don't know... In any event, I hardly consider the track of one of the coasters getting close to the wall of the queue area a single time during the ride to be any great stride in the way of theme nor do I think of trees as adding much since most steel coasters that I've seen and been on (as well as some wooden ones) have trees. To be honest, I always thought of the water as a retention pond but I suppose it could be a moat that's next to the castle instead of around it. Another problem with this ride (as well as the hulk and the fear fall) is that since Universal Owns next to nothing in terms of land and since it's got I-Drive on one side and a residential neighborhood on the other, you get a nice shot of the greater Orlando area on each up stroke. The fact that all these 'tall' rides are on the outskirts of the park doesn't help this matter any. Still, DD could have been themed a LOT more than it was. The idea of Fire & Ice dueling dragons provides tons of great ideas. How about tunnels, one with heat lamps and the other with cold mist cannons? How about having a part of the tracks (besides the loading and unloading) going through the actual castle? How about some sound effects in the areas where the coasters do their near collisions? This is all simple, relatively cheap stuff that's 100% doable from the mind of a person who fully admits they have no experience with engineering at all. It's a roller coaster and for the moment as roller coasters go, it is a very good one. You have a wonderfully themed line that you stand in for this coaster but once you get on it, it's a coaster much like can be found anywhere else in the world at other parks, save for the fact that it's a dueling AND inverted coaster - which I'm sure B&M will never ever design for anyone else ever again, just like the lift hill on the Hulk. So many people in this area are quick to point out how biased the people that creep in here from the rest of the forums are but many of you seem to be no better even when someone tries to point out the obvious which is that these rides are special today but that's only until another company contracts to have something better built. And I can't speak for anyone else but personally, I don't really care so much about if it's the only coaster in the world at the moment with a type of launch or the only coaster in the world that's inverted and dueling at the moment. I don't care that much if it's the first to have a 'camel hump' or currently has the largest inverted loop or the most quark screws or anything else. My body probably isn't going to take a whole lot of notice of most of the things that the coasters on the top lists have that get them on those lists. I mean, if Universal didn't tell you that DD is the only inverted dueling coaster would you know? Would you care? If they didn't tell you that the diagonal launch of Hulk were a first, would you know and do you think most people care beyond using is to statistically prove it's superiority to something else? I'll probably never go to a park in South Dakota so if they had a coaster with the same sort of launch as the Hulk do I really care? Does it make the the ride experience feel any different because it isn't the only one? Does the worlds tallest coaster feel that much more thrilling than the second tallest and would it if you didn't know that the first one was the tallest? I could tell you that RnR actually puts more G's on your body than either of the dragons or the Hulk but would you know from riding it? Except for the sake of debate, do any of us really care? Is anyone getting my point? Rides like most of what you find at Disney, most of what you find at Universal Studios, you know, rides more like Spiderman are special because they are and for the most part, will always be unique. MIB doesn't have to worry about someone else building a taller diagonal launch or an inverted dueling coaster with more close calls. I mean, Disney's crapy new coaster in AK has more in the way of actual theme once on the track than either the Hulk or DD and a lot of us consider it to be not only a cheap carnival ride but a poorly themed one as well. It doesn't take much of a theme on much of a ride to be a better themed ride than one that has for the most almost no theme at all. Please don't think I'm trying to say that the coaster in AK is better than any of the coasters in IOA as coasters go. If you have payed attention to anything that I've typed in this post, you'll know that's not what I mean but from a few of the replies I've gotten from recent posts, I'm beginning to get the feeling that some people are choosing to read selectively.

Try asking yourself this: Would either the Dragons or the Hulk look out of place in Universal Studios or a Disney park as is? Could the rides (with the exception of the queue line for DD - not part of the ride) go into a six flags or paramount park as is and fit in with the park's other offerings?
 
Well, I think DD is much better themed than Hulk -- which was my original complaint -- but I would love to have seen MOVE theming there. Zipping through arches, walls, actually THROUGH the castle would have been awesome!

Hulk has no real theming. You can't make the same arguments for Hulk that you make for DD.
 

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