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[spacemt354]

I know @kap91 had a version of an Alice ride as well. I personally want this land to be as immersive as possible. I have yet to see this done in any theme park, and there's so many visuals we could use.

Other than that I don't know if we all agreed on doing a little Mermaid section or not, or maybe the Snow White area. That seems like it should be high on the list as it seems we have have our castle be Snow White's castle.

I forget who (either @kap91 or @michmousefan ) maybe both or someone else? Had mentioned to include a dark ride inside the castle.

I've actually had that thought for sometime now...so I'm wondering if we do that -- if that may shape who/what the castle is based on?

 

[spacemt354]

Thank you for this again.

What is the Mr. Toad Wild Mouse Coaster?

It was one of Brer's ideas that was tossed into the initial layout -- we haven't discussed it much further though so maybe we will get to that soon!

 

[The Excavator]

Absolutely you can! What interests you the most? We have two side threads going in regards to Beauty and the Beast/Villains Mini-Land -- as well as a bunch of IPs here. Anything you like?

Thanks, I may try Beauty and the Beast. Is that okay?

I'll catch up now.

 

[spacemt354]

Thanks, I may try Beauty and the Beast. Is that okay?

I'll catch up now.

Just saw your post over there - absolutely! Have fun!

 

[FigmentPigments]

I forget who (either @kap91 or @michmousefan ) maybe both or someone else? Had mentioned to include a dark ride inside the castle.

I've actually had that thought for sometime now...so I'm wondering if we do that -- if that may shape who/what the castle is based on?

I don't see why not, make the castle pull double duty like the Tree of Life and Tower of Terror/Great Movie Ride currently does.

 

[FigmentPigments]

I forget who (either @kap91 or @michmousefan ) maybe both or someone else? Had mentioned to include a dark ride inside the castle.

I've actually had that thought for sometime now...so I'm wondering if we do that -- if that may shape who/what the castle is based on?

I also don't really have a preference to which castle we use or even if we do a castle that is not dedicated to one princess. We can do a composite castle if we want, but like I said I have no real preference one way or the other.

 

[spacemt354]

I also don't really have a preference to which castle we use or even if we do a castle that is not dedicated to one princess. We can do a composite castle if we want, but like I said I have no real preference one way or the other.

Neither do I -- anything works!

 

[FigmentPigments]

Neither do I -- anything works!

So thoughts, everyone?

What castle do you guys want to see?

Snow White
Tangled (I think was mentioned somewhere)
Composite (not dedicated to any one princess)

Or hey, did I miss you're favorite princess? Feel free to nominate.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Maybe an interactive ride like Toy Story Midway Mania too?

Maybe. That kinda connects to a similar idea I had with the Epic Mickey ride in sywtbai. Only issue would be how to relate that to Alice.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I don't see why not, make the castle pull double duty like the Tree of Life and Tower of Terror/Great Movie Ride currently does.

I'd love to see the castle have purpose for the general guest!...unlike a certain classic castle in Florida....

 

[Poe Dameron]

I still like the idea of a "flying" peoplemover... just because it would be really visually engaging from both the perspective of a rider and those on the ground. It would be way cool for someone on the ground to see the vehicles move into, say, the back corner of the castle (where they might see something that otherwise you wouldn't be able to, like view a dragon or something) and then exit the castle at another point... I'd certainly want to check that out. And I'd think that there would be ways to creatively hide or minimize the supports, etc. Faux trees, ramparts, towers, all could be utilized. As far as the IP or non-IP of the conveyance... I'd go with non-IP, unless you made each sequence of vehicles a collection of IPs... like having a string of vehicles like Dumbo, Aladdin's Carpet, etc., with the last vehicle looking like a tiny version of the house from Up with a couple of balloons trailing.

I'll also agree with a non-IP peoplemover. Everyone has made some great points on that.

 

[Brer Oswald]

So thoughts, everyone?

What castle do you guys want to see?

Snow White
Tangled (I think was mentioned somewhere)
Composite (not dedicated to any one princess)

Or hey, did I miss you're favorite princess? Feel free to nominate.

Composite or Snow White. I'm leaning towards Snow White as it has yet to be done, but composite would work well too.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I'll say that the only issue with the non IP people mover in Fantasyland is that it negates one in Tomorrowland.

 

[spacemt354]

I'll say that the only issue with the non IP people mover in Fantasyland is that it negates one in Tomorrowland.

If we have a World's Fair mini-land it could be included in there rather than in Tomorrowland. And this seems like more of a skyway (minus the cables) with suspended seating...so I think it should have enough of a difference.

Haunted Mansion and Buzz are the same ride system in the same park, but two totally different experiences.

 

[Imagineerland]

I'll say that the only issue with the non IP people mover in Fantasyland is that it negates one in Tomorrowland.

I don't think it does though. We should stop using and thinking of the term peoplemover as a specific ride with a specific drive system with a specific vehicle. The general idea is just inner-land transportation of whatever form we develop. I mean quite frankly, the steamships of Frontierland are "peoplemovers" in the same sense, but that does not make the TTA peoplemover redundant. This is just a form of transportation which is in essence the foundation of theme parks, i.e. the fact that over half of original Disneyland was just different forms of transportation going past different settings. More inner-land transportation rides makes a better park.

Also, I find it kind of funny that we are labeling Casey Jr as an IP. I mean it is technically, but I would guess most people including me are not thinking back to 1941 Dumbo but just to a general Fantasyland aesthetic of a circus train. I don't see the issue of a train going through any environment, because, uh, everywhere has trains.

As an aside, I vote Tangled for the castle because it has some pretty interesting Eastern European architecture elements that I would like to see in a park.

 

[spacemt354]

I don't think it does though. We should stop using and thinking of the term peoplemover as a specific ride with a specific drive system with a specific vehicle. The general idea is just inner-land transportation of whatever form we develop. I mean quite frankly, the steamships of Frontierland are "peoplemovers" in the same sense, but that does not make the TTA peoplemover redundant. This is just a form of transportation which is in essence the foundation of theme parks, i.e. the fact that over half of original Disneyland was just different forms of transportation going past different settings. More inner-land transportation rides makes a better park.

Also, I find it kind of funny that we are labeling Casey Jr as an IP. I mean it is technically, but I would guess most people including me are not thinking back to 1941 Dumbo but just to a general Fantasyland aesthetic of a circus train. I don't see the issue of a train going through any environment, because, uh, everywhere has trains.

As an aside, I vote Tangled for the castle because it has some pretty interesting Eastern European architecture elements that I would like to see in a park.

Some very astute points.

Also -- never thought of a Tangled castle before! As I was saying before, I'm good with anything, but I'm slightly leaning towards that approach now.

 

[kap91]

I vote for a Snow White Castle, or a non-specific IP castle. I don't think the centerpiece of the park should be based on any recent princess. I love the idea of the castle housing a ride but this is where it's useful to consider reality. And modern ride would require way more space than could possibly fit in the castle. The only way that even begins to become possible Is if a large portion of the land around the castle is elevated several stories and the show building resides beneath. Not infeasible (underground parking garages the size of city blocks in LA prove this) but just something to keep in mind. It would not be easy or cheap. And would come with creative hamstrings because of all the structural support needed.

I did indeed have an idea for a trackless Alice ride. It wasn't much more than the idea of loading in a private room, a magical transition to wonderland, and then wonderland itself being one giant indoor environment with various alcoves the vehicles pull into.And the vehicles would be motion platforms as well. The image in my head was always beds, but I appreciate that doesn't necessarily make the most sense in context of a story. The rough sketch was this though that queue is definitely way out of scale

I think the story idea that makes the most sense for this general idea is going through the looking glass - maybe even using a variant of the magic mirror effect used in Enchanted Tales if the beauty and the beast complex becomes just a ride.

I really am starting to like the idea of a Mr. Toad Wild mouse coaster. I think it's a ride system that when dressed up and put indoors could really bring to life a new Mr. Toad's Wild ride. I honestly think the original ride had a great story progression - all that's really needed is to render it in 3D instead of being cutouts.

I feel like mermaid deserves an attraction but I'm not so keen on it being in Fantasyland - as it really doesn't jive with anything else there well. Then again the only other place it fits is adventureland and I'm not keen on that either. Perhaps if mermaid is built the facade shouldn't focus on the ocean or the beach, but maybe coastal caves or shipwrecks instead - I feel that might tie in easier with Peter Pan (neverland) or monstro.

 

[Brer Oswald]

If we have a World's Fair mini-land it could be included in there rather than in Tomorrowland. And this seems like more of a skyway (minus the cables) with suspended seating...so I think it should have enough of a difference.

Haunted Mansion and Buzz are the same ride system in the same park, but two totally different experiences.

My fear is not about reusing the ride system but having two very similar experiences. Part of what makes the people mover so special is that it's the only ride like it in the park. These two could have different ride systems, but the overall idea and premise are the same.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I don't think it does though. We should stop using and thinking of the term peoplemover as a specific ride with a specific drive system with a specific vehicle. The general idea is just inner-land transportation of whatever form we develop. I mean quite frankly, the steamships of Frontierland are "peoplemovers" in the same sense, but that does not make the TTA peoplemover redundant. This is just a form of transportation which is in essence the foundation of theme parks, i.e. the fact that over half of original Disneyland was just different forms of transportation going past different settings. More inner-land transportation rides makes a better park.

Also, I find it kind of funny that we are labeling Casey Jr as an IP. I mean it is technically, but I would guess most people including me are not thinking back to 1941 Dumbo but just to a general Fantasyland aesthetic of a circus train. I don't see the issue of a train going through any environment, because, uh, everywhere has trains.

As an aside, I vote Tangled for the castle because it has some pretty interesting Eastern European architecture elements that I would like to see in a park.

I still kinda want to do Casey Jr., simply because it's very different from the people mover, and there is that catchy song!

 

[LSCreative]

I feel like mermaid deserves an attraction but I'm not so keen on it being in Fantasyland - as it really doesn't jive with anything else there well. Then again the only other place it fits is adventureland and I'm not keen on that either. Perhaps if mermaid is built the facade shouldn't focus on the ocean or the beach, but maybe coastal caves or shipwrecks instead - I feel that might tie in easier with Peter Pan (neverland) or monstro.

I agree with this!

Even if the main queue is still a beach/coastal area, but it is separated by large caves. Guest's would walk through the caves into a stunning open aired queue area. It would give the area a nice reveal. Shade would be provided by themed shade sails, and palm trees.