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spacemt354

spacemt354

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MA Screamin' said:
Okay, but it'll be a rollercoaster, right, just like Seven Dwarfs?

After seeing that video, some parts feel congested to me, but I suppose that's by virtue of the style of ride we're going for. Everest has room because of big drops, etc. Still though, there will have to be the balance in the actual ride to counteract the forced perspective of the castle. That's my only complaint at this point, thanks for the clarification :)

Speaking of Seven Dwarfs, are there still plans for that coaster, as well? I think the consensus was that it was wanted, if the dark ride scenes were build upon to tell a fuller story, and if it was a tad darker, a la Scary Adventures... I want one, and then a small cottage quick-service, but only for things like pastries and coffee. I don't think seeing whopping triple-patty burgers being ate around Snow White and her animal friends would be appealing, and I love me a good burger :hilarious: What do you all think?
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I actually was thinking of a way it might not be a coaster, but more of a dark ride hybrid attraction. Dark ride scenes, but then maybe a drop tower tech mixed in? With the ride vehicles being Sven's sleighs -- you treck up the side of the mountain and into it where you reach the first few dark ride scenes.

Similar to the story of Frozen Ever After --- you're venturing up to Elsa's Ice Palace...but this time Elsa doesn't want to see you:p She sends you away, but as she does so she accidentally cracks the ice and sends you dropping down to a lower level. This is where the drop tech comes in. There would be two main drops with 5-6 dark ride scenes mixed in for a 3 min 3 sec attraction, with a height limit of 36"

This way it's more of a family version of ToT -- no G-force zoom ups and downs, but still a lot of fun and might attract more boys than would typically. Like if I was 10 I wouldn't like Frozen Ever After, but if it was a little more thrilling, I'd be more interested. :bookworm:
 
FigmentPigments

FigmentPigments

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FigmentPigments said:
I thought someone said a dark ride slowly moving through the mountain and into Elsa's castle.

I'm actually not sure about Snow White anymore. :confused: I thought we were leaning towards a better version of the original Scary Adventures but using some of the same tech and scenes of the coaster?????:bookworm:
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Actually, if we had to switch one roller coaster for a longer heavier scene ride, I think I might prefer The Matterhorn to being the coaster, but I'm not stuck either way. I can see the wolf chase scenes working in the same space as the yeti chasing you from behind the ice wall though.
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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MA Screamin' said:
Here's my thing about the Matterhorn (great work with the art, Space!): I feel like the nostalgia really outweighs the attraction itself. I'm gonna be very critical, just for the sake of discussion, but since I haven't ever rode the ride, please call me out if my statements are faulty or straight inaccurate.

The mountain itself is placed in a way that really pulls away from any true opportunity for immersion. The reason Everest works is because it was given the space so that Imagineers could create an environment around it, instead of having any constraints that could pull away from the cohesiveness of the attraction. That goes the same way for Splash and Thunder, I suppose. Beyond that, the same sort of principle would have to apply to just the ride. The Matterhorn is a rather small ride, despite the large facade, I believe. So, to have the forced perspective work after guests have viewed Elsa's castle, the ride would have to have that grand, open feel when the castle is approached, inside of it or just surrounding it. Frozen is a classic and deserves something, and I don't have a strong desire for Matterhorn in our Fantasyland. If we do an EPCOT Center, not like 1966 but more like "if EPCOT Center was made today," then maybe I'd be down.

What I'm trying to get to is that I feel like, while the Matterhorn is a classic attraction, we shouldn't follow it's template, as compared to today's standards, I find it to be rather faulty. But that's my two cents, and if it makes the final cut, I'll stand by our group's decision all the way!
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That's why we are making it different. The regular Matterhorn is not the best.
 
FigmentPigments

FigmentPigments

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MA Screamin' said:
Hit or miss, but totally out of place. That's definitely what separates the two films for me; it's not the stark drop in overall quality, but the feel that the Company is tributing this revolutionary piece of art, instead of following its mission. Makes me wanna watch the original again, actually :)
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I enjoyed the second one far more than I ever thought I would. I loved the butterfly sequence actually. Makes me run the gauntlet of emotions every time.
 
MA Screamin'

MA Screamin'

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spacemt354 said:
I actually was thinking of a way it might not be a coaster, but more of a dark ride hybrid attraction. Dark ride scenes, but then maybe a drop tower tech mixed in? With the ride vehicles being Sven's sleighs -- you treck up the side of the mountain and into it where you reach the first few dark ride scenes.

Similar to the story of Frozen Ever After --- you're venturing up to Elsa's Ice Palace...but this time Elsa doesn't want to see you:p She sends you away, but as she does so she accidentally cracks the ice and sends you dropping down to a lower level. This is where the drop tech comes in. There would be two main drops with 5-6 dark ride scenes mixed in for a 3 min 3 sec attraction, with a height limit of 36"

This way it's more of a family version of ToT -- no G-force zoom ups and downs, but still a lot of fun and might attract more boys than would typically. Like if I was 10 I wouldn't like Frozen Ever After, but if it was a little more thrilling, I'd be more interested. :bookworm:
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You took the words right out my mouth! I just didn't know if it would make sense, but I would want guests to be able to the see the whole park, but through the holes of Elsa's glorious palace in her castle, or from some building with Olaf, Anna, and the gang, if there's one that is from somewhere high in the film. It's been a while since I've seen it.

But yeah, I agree entirely! Maybe Elsa is near-furious, and banishes you once she notices that you're there, and then, as you're engulfed with smoke, etc., you're sent soaring down into some sort of cavern... again, it's been a while. Is there even such a place in the film? I don't want it to be the base of the mountain though, the transition should leave guests startled, and then someone or thing needs to come to their aid.
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
Original Poster
MA Screamin' said:
You took the words right out my mouth! I just didn't know if it would make sense, but I would want guests to be able to the see the whole park, but through the holes of Elsa's glorious palace in her castle, or from some building with Olaf, Anna, and the gang, if there's one that is from somewhere high in the film. It's been a while since I've seen it.

But yeah, I agree entirely! Maybe Elsa is near-furious, and banishes you once she notices that you're there, and then, as you're engulfed with smoke, etc., you're sent soaring down into some sort of cavern... again, it's been a while. Is there even such a place in the film? I don't want it to be the base of the mountain though, the transition should leave guests startled, and then someone or thing needs to come to their aid.
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Yeah the Let It Go scene she climbs to the top of the mountain. Imagine all the fan girls/boys of the movie singing the song as they trek up the mountain:hilarious:
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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MA Screamin' said:
Hit or miss, but totally out of place. That's definitely what separates the two films for me; it's not the stark drop in overall quality, but the feel that the Company is tributing this revolutionary piece of art, instead of following its mission. Makes me wanna watch the original again, actually :)
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It might jut be me, but the "intermission" scenes from the package films are what sets those movies apart from the rest, and honestly makes me like them more than the modern story driven films.
 
MA Screamin'

MA Screamin'

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Brer Oswald said:
If the frozen Matterhorn could be a dark ride coaster like mine train, Snow White could be like a higher tech version of the original ride.
I strongly suggest doing this.
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I agree; even if "Frozen" isn't a traditional coaster, it'll still have the feel, which'll lead the boosted Mine Train to make more sense.

Three levels... Frozen being kid-friendly, Snow White is preteen friendly, Bald Mountain is off-the-wall batsh*t insanity! Okay, maybe not, but still off-the-wall crazy for a coaster :D
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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MA Screamin' said:
I agree; even if "Frozen" isn't a traditional coaster, it'll still have the feel, which'll lead the boosted Mine Train to make more sense.

Three levels... Frozen being kid-friendly, Snow White is preteen friendly, Bald Mountain is off-the-wall batsh*t insanity! Okay, maybe not, but still off-the-wall crazy for a coaster :D
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Ok, now I think we have too many coasters. We have toad, frozen, bald mountain and Snow White apparently? I thought bald mountain was going into villains land? Was that canned?
 
MA Screamin'

MA Screamin'

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spacemt354 said:
Yeah the Let It Go scene she climbs to the top of the mountain. Imagine all the fan girls/boys of the movie singing the song as they trek up the mountain:hilarious:
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Or plot twist! Anna is having doubts about the journey, so Olaf performs a remix as guests venture up to rescue Elsa...:hilarious:

Wait, that actually could work, maybe, just maybe. Because we'd be retelling the story, changing the music slightly could bring a new layer, making it more interesting to ride! Although being a music fan, I can say that if a cover or rearrangement isn't up to par, it can rub off the wrong way. Just a thought, though.
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
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Brer Oswald said:
Ok, now I think we have too many coasters. We have toad, frozen, bald mountain and Snow White apparently? I thought bald mountain was going into villains land? Was that canned?
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Six Flags!:D:p

Frozen doesn't have to be a "coaster" persay -- I was thinking a less intense version of ToT -- but with less ups/down and more dark ride scenes.

Bald Mountain is still a thing, but I'm not so sure about doing a similar ride to 7DMT (since we just had this convo about Matterhorn)
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
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MA Screamin' said:
It wasn't my idea, so I can't really say, but yeah, it was gonna to be a wild-mouse coaster.

I feel like it should be just a fast-paced trackless version of the OG, but as always, I'm down for experimentation!
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I could see toad as a wild mouse coaster that's why I was asking haha

@Poe Dameron I know you mentioned wanting to use RCT3 -- this might be a good project to do it on!
 
MA Screamin'

MA Screamin'

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Overall, we are going in the right direction in terms of balance for the land itself. The only problem is that it's busting at the seams with how many rides and shows we have, and that could possibly be a problem in comparison to other lands. Speaking of shows, we only have two, including the Fantasia ride, so is that something that should be addressed?

Another thing I wanna bring up that we should begin to dream up Discovery Cove and Storybook Circus to see if our balance will continue upon their additions. I know I wanna to revive a dark ride concept I made for a comp. with @Sam4D23, @Matt7187, and @jdmdisney99 years ago, where Mickey and the Fab Five star in a circus show that keeps going wrong, only when Huey, Dewey, and Louie come to save the day at the end. Anyone have any ideas for those lands? @FigmentPigments, I know you had some ideas behind Discovery Cove :)
 

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