Brer Oswald
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This seems the most accurate. Pinocchio will likely have the longest ride through, but mostly because it's a boat ride. It'll probably be just under the time length of Splash.
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kap91
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I actually like the idea of a discovery cove next to Fantasyland. So scratch what I said about Worlds Fair being the transition. Though it still might make a good replacement for Tomorrowland - idk I really like presentational design aesthetic, Edutainment, etc ala old school Epcot and I'm kind of biased with really wanting a permanent place for that to live
Brer Oswald
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Thanks!
Brer Oswald
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I think that could still fit with Tomorrowland, you know, like the old white optimistic Tomorrowland. Unfortunately, Small World becomes a problem again.
MA Screamin'
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I figured we expand on the template created by the Mine Train, and have Toad be the same tech but with the twists and turns of a more traditional Wild Mouse coaster... what do you all think?
And for Mansion, it could tucked away in the depths of our Forest section, but that may contradict the medieval feel we were going for.
And for Mansion, it could tucked away in the depths of our Forest section, but that may contradict the medieval feel we were going for.
Brer Oswald
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Mansion could fit between frontier and adventure, or adventure and Main Street like Mystic Manor at Hong Kong.
kap91
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I was thinking around 5-6 minutes for Pinocchio. It's essentially the same scale as the Navi river journey is. Splash is crazy long both in terms of ride time and actual track length.
Actually, since we're ok that topic based on the designs so far my best judgement is:
Flat rides: 1-3 minutes.
Toad: 3 minutes
Pooh, Snow White, Tangled, Pinocchio : 5-6 minutes with immersive but relatively normal queues
Poppins, BatB, Pan: 8 minutes - all have extensive queues, preshows, or post shows that add to that time though.
Fantasia: 8 minute actual ride, 20 minute full experience.
Casey Jr: 10-12 minutes.
Show:30 minutes.
Missing anything?
Brer Oswald
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Just saying, Pinocchio has A LOT of important scenes, almost all of which are skipped in the Disneyland ride, which is why that ride is pretty pathetic. Peter Pan can be summed up in less time, and that's coming from me (Peter Pan being my favourite movie of all time).
kap91
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The Mansion could go almost anywhere (I dig the Main Street placement - but that requires Main Street becoming more of an entire town - which could be interesting). I like it the forest outside Fantasyland but Alice is most likely already going to look like a mansion
Brer Oswald
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8 minutes is a lot for an attraction, especially one with faster moving vehicles like Peter or Batb. Casey Jr. Could also probably be about 8 minutes. Aside from that, the times are pretty good. We just have to keep in mind how they fit size and ride system.
kap91
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It's been such a long time since I've seen Pinocchio. It's current placement doesn't allow for much longer than 5-6 minutes unless there's extensive multi-leveling. I will say that a lot of Splash's length comes from the outdoor sections and drops - presumably that Pinocchio has less of (didn't think it was meant to be a fluke). The actual storytelling portion of splash is only around maybe 7 minutes and the scenes are very compact. Hell even Disney Worlds Pirates is only like 7 minutes.
I think we're actually thinking the same thing most likely.
kap91
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Yeah you're right - those might be shorter - I started thinking in terms of scale instead of time.
Daveeeeed
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By far the best low-key dark ride that works over and over again is IMO Snow White. It's subtle, but the beautiful feel is magnificent. It's also interesting to note that at Disneyland Paris the smaller attractions have nice queues. Very small, but nice.
I think Pan would work wonders as a headliner. Pan, Poppins & Beauty makes that 3 big attractions that I'm sure will all work great, but the fact that we have so many ips seems a bit excessive. Even in Fantasyland, there is usually at least 1 big non-ip attraction.
I think a non-ip mountain attraction like the Matterhorn would help this. Thoughts?
I think Pan would work wonders as a headliner. Pan, Poppins & Beauty makes that 3 big attractions that I'm sure will all work great, but the fact that we have so many ips seems a bit excessive. Even in Fantasyland, there is usually at least 1 big non-ip attraction.
I think a non-ip mountain attraction like the Matterhorn would help this. Thoughts?
Brer Oswald
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7 minutes seems right, 5 just seems too little. The scenes that have to be included in the actual ride through are the town, the actor portion, strombolis cart, the trip to pleasure island, pleasure island, the search for Monstrosity underwater, inside monstro, and the finale. The beginning scenes could be presented in the queue.
Brer Oswald
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Fantasyland is IP the land. The only exception would be Small World, which we purposely cutout. I'd say Pan and Poppins are the headliners, but I hate to not make Alice, BatB, and Pinocchio spectacular experiences because they are some of the best movies.By far the best low-key dark ride that works over and over again is IMO Snow White. It's subtle, but the beautiful feel is magnificent. It's also interesting to note that at Disneyland Paris the smaller attractions have nice queues. Very small, but nice.
I think Pan would work wonders as a headliner. Pan, Poppins & Beauty makes that 3 big attractions that I'm sure will all work great, but the fact that we have so many ips seems a bit excessive. Even in Fantasyland, there is usually at least 1 big non-ip attraction.
I think a non-ip mountain attraction like the Matterhorn would help this. Thoughts?
kap91
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I think pan and poppins are the headliners but most of the attractions as we've designed here would each be worthy of headlines if they opened by themselves. (Speaking of which thank god is a fantasy Fantasyland - cause so much of this would have to be done in phases)
To the IP argument, both The Fantasia attraction/area and Casey Jr I think will be heavily original and only tangentially related to their source material. Actually very similar to how the Matterhorn is technically based on Third man on the Mountain.
Brer Oswald
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@David2319 was it You that played epic Mickey?
Daveeeeed
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Correct. I'm wondering if it would be best to make Fantasyland more like another park within the park. Essentially a version even larger than the Magic Kingdom's.
Personally, I think we should put Wonderland and Neverland on the right side and connect them to Fantasia as it could be the otherworldly location while the other parts of Fantasyland are places from Earth.
Just to get an idea.
Villains Land
Fantasyland
Wonderland
Alice in Wonderland: E-ticket
Neverland
Peter Pan: E-ticket
Castle Area
B-ticket Flatride
Fantasia
Unknown E/D-ticket
Storybook Circus
Double Dumbo: B-ticket
Casey Jr.
Village
Pinocchio: D/E-ticket
Theater: E-ticket
Countryside
B&TB: E-ticket
London
Mary Poppins: E-ticket
Mr. Toad: D-ticket
Forest
Tangled: D-ticket
100 Acre Woods
Winnie The Pooh C-ticket
Critter Country
Frontierland
Entrance Street
Tomorrowland
There are far too many E-tickets IMO.
UPDATE: Things have changed. It' seems already very outdated
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Daveeeeed
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Yes it was. You thinking what I'm thinking?
Brer Oswald
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Probably not, but I want to know what you're thinking. I opened a board about reimagining the video game though. I'll invite you and anyone else who likes the game. But please, share your idea.Yes it was. You thinking what I'm thinking?