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MA Screamin'

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kap91 said:
The Mansion could go almost anywhere (I dig the Main Street placement - but that requires Main Street becoming more of an entire town - which could be interesting). I like it the forest outside Fantasyland but Alice is most likely already going to look like a mansion
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Well, we could differ in approach... Alice in the London section with a more traditional estate (first pic), and the Mansion being a medieval manor on the base of Bald Mountain (second pic).

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The above picture alone gets me thinking about themed hedge mazes and topiaries!

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This just fits the story that @FigmentPigments shared...
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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Very very bad sketch, but just to make locations make sense.

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I think a forest transitions best from Fantasyland to Wonderland. Neverland can connect to Fantasia, Wonderland, Discovery Cove and a Bucaneer type land as well as adventureland well.

This is purely just to try to figure out transitions, so please don't take it as exact:p.
 
kap91

kap91

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Was there an intention to create a physical neverland and wonderland space, or are these places we want to only see on the rides (I lean towards that option personally).

The land is slightly e-ticket heavy when compared to real life but I think that's inevitable in a land that doesn't actually have to be built. Plus also when essentially A-C tickets basically don't exist anymore except for the occasional flat ride. Which is why the whole ticket labeling thing is outdated.

I think the land is fairly evenly split between large-scale Wow's (poppins, pan, Alice, Fantasia), and medium scale less wow more substance (tangled, Pinocchio, Pooh, Snow White, Casey, BatB). You want a mix of types of experiences and I think we do that well. Some are thrilling, some are meandering, some are special effect driven, some are story driven, some are long, some are reasonably brief.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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MA Screamin' said:
Well, we could differ in approach... Alice in the London section with a more traditional estate (first pic), and the Mansion being a medieval manor on the base of Bald Mountain (second pic).

a68498fb542b77a6e29a6ad92b061576.jpg


The above picture alone gets me thinking about themed hedge mazes and topiaries!

haddon-hall-1.jpg


This just fits the story that @FigmentPigments shared...
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Perfect!!! I think we should aim for realism in setting personally. That's why I think having Wonderland & Neverland connected through a beaten forest and Fantasia is the best way. And also by having Fantasia sort of like Mysterious Island where it is separate from the main areas.

This is kind of how I envision the look of a villains land:
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kap91

kap91

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MA Screamin' said:
Well, we could differ in approach... Alice in the London section with a more traditional estate (first pic), and the Mansion being a medieval manor on the base of Bald Mountain (second pic).

a68498fb542b77a6e29a6ad92b061576.jpg


The above picture alone gets me thinking about themed hedge mazes and topiaries!

haddon-hall-1.jpg


This just fits the story that @FigmentPigments shared...
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That first pic is EXACTLY what I'm thinking of for Alice.

As to that flowchart - I think we might be trying to create too many mini lands. I think fewer is better, amalgation better than a devoted area to each ride - especially on that east side.
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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kap91 said:
Was there an intention to create a physical neverland and wonderland space, or are these places we want to only see on the rides (I lean towards that option personally).

The land is slightly e-ticket heavy when compared to real life but I think that's inevitable in a land that doesn't actually have to be built. Plus also when essentially A-C tickets basically don't exist anymore except for the occasional flat ride. Which is why the whole ticket labeling thing is outdated.

I think the land is fairly evenly split between large-scale Wow's (poppins, pan, Alice, Fantasia), and medium scale less wow more substance (tangled, Pinocchio, Pooh, Snow White, Casey, BatB). You want a mix of types of experiences and I think we do that well. Some are thrilling, some are meandering, some are special effect driven, some are story driven, some are long, some are reasonably brief.
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I think this makes the most sense. The Wonderland area will be nothing more than the Tulgey Wood surrounding the ride. The Neverland area will be nothing more than the large facade, and the Jolly Roger. Maybe a shop and restaurant for both.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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kap91 said:
That first pic is EXACTLY what I'm thinking of for Alice.

As to that flowchart - I think we might be trying to create too many mini lands. I think fewer is better, amalgation better than a devoted area to each ride - especially on that east side.
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Brer Oswald said:
I think this makes the most sense. The Wonderland area will be nothing more than the Tulgey Wood surrounding the ride. The Neverland area will be nothing more than the large facade, and the Jolly Roger. Maybe a shop and restaurant for both.
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Okay, forget what I said then:p. I was thinking totally different but makes sense now. We are though making this seem more realistic then romanticized right?
 
kap91

kap91

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David2319 said:
Okay, forget what I said then:p. I was thinking totally different but makes sense now. We are though making this seem more realistic then romanticized right?
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I think somewhere in between. Not as realistic as the original WDW Fantasyland but not as cartoony as FLE.

I think Alice should remain where it is. But if you want a neverland mini-area it fits best across from Fantasia with Discovery cove being the backside (think roughly where the speedway is at WDW). Kind of like how Tink's area is set up at Disneyland. I'll draw it up later.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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kap91 said:
I think somewhere in between. Not as realistic as the original WDW Fantasyland but not as cartoony as FLE.

I think Alice should remain where it is. But if you want a neverland mini-area it fits best across from Fantasia with Discovery cove being the backside (think roughly where the speedway is at WDW). Kind of like how Tink's area is set up at Disneyland. I'll draw it up later.
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I'm good with whatever. Is Alice going to be like part of London basically as in just the ride or will it be a lush environment like Pandora? Both could and will work, but they are very different in style obviously.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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Wait a second... I just got an idea. Why don't we make this park the Tokyo DisneySEA of the Magic Kingdoms. Making this a feel with real type of locations (ex. Arabian Coast) more so than genres. Kind of how we are doing Fantasyland to be more London based.

Obviously not as far as EPCOT in realism, but something that's more real setting/feel based for most lands (except obviously Fantasia & the Villains land which could be the Mysterious Island of this park).
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

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kap91 said:
I was thinking around 5-6 minutes for Pinocchio. It's essentially the same scale as the Navi river journey is. Splash is crazy long both in terms of ride time and actual track length.

Actually, since we're ok that topic based on the designs so far my best judgement is:

Flat rides: 1-3 minutes.
Toad: 3 minutes
Pooh, Snow White, Tangled, Pinocchio : 5-6 minutes with immersive but relatively normal queues
Poppins, BatB, Pan: 8 minutes - all have extensive queues, preshows, or post shows that add to that time though.
Fantasia: 8 minute actual ride, 20 minute full experience.
Casey Jr: 10-12 minutes.
Show:30 minutes.

Missing anything?
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I think Poppins and Fantasia should probably be the only ones with 8 mins. That's around the length of Pirates and the Haunted Mansion in WDW...and Casey Jr would just be slightly longer than the Peoplemover which takes around 9 mins.
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

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David2319 said:
Perfect!!! I think we should aim for realism in setting personally. That's why I think having Wonderland & Neverland connected through a beaten forest and Fantasia is the best way. And also by having Fantasia sort of like Mysterious Island where it is separate from the main areas.

This is kind of how I envision the look of a villains land:
Skull-Island-Reign-of-Kong-Now-Open-4--1170x731.jpg
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I could see that -- we were thinking in the other brainstorming thread of putting the Haunted Mansion in the Villains land, and giving it a medieval overlay.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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Having Alice confined to a ride like Indy would work wonders.

It would also work wonders as a world where you can step foot in. I personally wanted Wonderland to be a fleshed out land -- one where you just stumbled upon in a forest near the London area. But thinking about it more... I think if we make it just a make it a super headliner like Indy it will work best for this park.

And if we do the ride, it will make it feel more realistic rather than a land. I'll take it too if everyone is good with that, but I don't think we should work on the ride more than the story and concept as depending on how the locations around the park end up will dictate throwing in little Easter eggs and touches.

So we'll kill two birds with one stone: reel the park's statement together while bringing in an absolute must do attraction.
 
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spacemt354

spacemt354

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MA Screamin' said:
Would having a design like that for the facade of Bald Mountain conflict with the themes we have going, imo? I think it's a good start
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I think if it's covered with tall trees and the use of forced perspective on the mountain -- it should be okay!

I wasn't picturing a massive Bald Mountain, but more of a mix of Beast Castle and Big Thunder. (In between those heights -- 70 ft or so)
 

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