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kap91
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I responded a bit to this in my last post but I've got more to say.
I'm so okay with castle design. I'd give it a bit more Fairytale treatment with some roundness and a different color palate (I really think some purple and blues should be included) but otherwise it's awesome. Especially if we have rockwork and heavy forest in the hub and around the base.
As far as the attraction - I'm not sure Donald should be there I think if he is, the rest of the fab five deserve representation too. And if he isn't, we can focus on the more operatic/high brow characters featured in Fantasia which I like the idea of more. Thinking of the horses/Pegasi?, fountains, ice sprites, maybe dancing hippos, etc. trying to keep it as regal and lyrical as possible. Flying whales lol. (Ok maybe regal isn't exactly the word I'm looking for but not the feeling of "cartoons".). But that's my opinion I can see that centerpiece attraction going both ways. I just like that classic Fantasia feels somewhat original and non-IP and a more appropriate to center Fantasyland around.
MA Screamin'
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Again, can't find a proper gif...
Just really impressed by that, you're studying in the Boston area, right? That's so cool, and I wish I could provide some insight... but my expertise is limited in the English department. Best of luck, and maybe if you need any writing help, I'll love to help!
MA Screamin'
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I responded a bit to this in my last post but I've got more to say.
I'm so okay with castle design. I'd give it a bit more Fairytale treatment with some roundness and a different color palate (I really think some purple and blues should be included) but otherwise it's awesome. Especially if we have rockwork and heavy forest in the hub and around the base.
As far as the attraction - I'm not sure Donald should be there I think if he is, the rest of the fab five deserve representation too. And if he isn't, we can focus on the more operatic/high brow characters featured in Fantasia which I like the idea of more. Thinking of the horses/Pegasi?, fountains, ice sprites, maybe dancing hippos, etc. trying to keep it as regal and lyrical as possible. Flying whales lol. (Ok maybe regal isn't exactly the word I'm looking for but not the feeling of "cartoons".). But that's my opinion I can see that centerpiece attraction going both ways. I just like that classic Fantasia feels somewhat original and non-IP and a more appropriate to center Fantasyland around.
You know that texture that blends greens, blues, and purples? A variant of that would look amazing in my eyes!
When you say roundness, I see cartoonish features, like the Paris castle. I'm not a fan of that, in the sense of that it takes away the maturity that makes the castles so impressive, if that makes sense. If you could clarify, that'd be great!
And I wanted to have Mickey and Donald to add an element for the little ones, since I know it could be pulled off without the attraction losing any artistic credibility. Even though I'd be fine without Donald and just Mickey, it would just broaden the appeal theoretically, you know? When we figure out what the attraction really is, I guess we can draft a script with and without Donald and see what works best
MA Screamin'
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kap91
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No I actually dislike the Paris castle. I was just thinking a touch of Neuschwanstein or you know what I'm just gonna talk in picturesYou know that texture that blends greens, blues, and purples? A variant of that would look amazing in my eyes!
When you say roundness, I see cartoonish features, like the Paris castle. I'm not a fan of that, in the sense of that it takes away the maturity that makes the castles so impressive, if that makes sense. If you could clarify, that'd be great!
And I wanted to have Mickey and Donald to add an element for the little ones, since I know it could be pulled off without the attraction losing any artistic credibility. Even though I'd be fine without Donald and just Mickey, it would just broaden the appeal theoretically, you know? When we figure out what the attraction really is, I guess we can draft a script with and without Donald and see what works best
Combine that stuff together. The breadth of the castle you suggested a few of the architectural pieces from Neuschwanstein, the color palate and some stylizing (stretched a bit higher, extra glass) of Cinderella.
The hub would be forested and gardened. As you get closer (to the blank spot on the map). I'm thinking something that would feel like these two images. Part of the ride would go through this area. (Or some sort of attraction)
The interior of the castle might feel like this
The queue would be like this Underneath the castle
Whereas the attraction would feel more stylized and really colorful.
kap91
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Right? Pretty cool stuff. Don't think it's ready for anything more than a queue effect for Avatar yet though (wishes).Sorry for the triple post, but have to mention the holograph tech @kap91 mentioned
Great find man! Anyway you think we could pull that off along a dome without showing the mirrors? I pretty much just wanna see the whales swim across one end of a screen to the other
The interesting thing about curved projection surfaces like a dome is that if they're big enough the screen sort of disappears and you can get the illusion of 3D without glasses. This is what Shanghais pirates and Soarin both do. I think if you wanted whales swimming overhead this is the best way. Just get really good high brightness projection tech.
Alternatively a musion/peppers ghost effect could potentially work separate the whale from an ocean background.
You know another technology that gets no love or notice? The parallax screens used in Mission:Space. They give a highly effective 2.5-3D effect without glasses that still hasn't been beat. Really thought the Hogwarts express was going to use a variant of that but instead they just went with standard projection more or less. Doesn't really apply to this scenario though as it's downfall is you can't move much without giving the appearance of a heavy distortion or loss of image entirely.
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kap91
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it's funny I'm normally against screens except for use as backdrops. But when it comes to placing animated characters (that is subjects that are SUPPOSED to look animated) into a physical environment. I think it's one of the best tools we have - especially peppers/ghost musion tech. I've actually toyed with the penguin scene on my Mary Poppins attraction being done like that - as I really want them hopping all around the place. Of course that scene is intended to be in the round with the vehicle circling the entire set - which would be a first for a peppers ghost effect (but not unachievable if the reflective surfaces move and/or are in multiple small pieces around the set rather than one big piece.).
Then again AAs are just so satisfying. But I think as long as most of what you see is real - projected characters are still okay - especially if the screen is not obvious. Sorry...tangent.
Then again AAs are just so satisfying. But I think as long as most of what you see is real - projected characters are still okay - especially if the screen is not obvious. Sorry...tangent.
MA Screamin'
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@kap91 No, no problem with going on a tangent! I see your view, I find practical effects much more attractive! We'll find a balance, and your know-how with ride effects will be such a powerful tool
And after posting in the One Sentence Contest, I found that we NEED a Nightmare Before Christmas attraction!
What do you all think?
And after posting in the One Sentence Contest, I found that we NEED a Nightmare Before Christmas attraction!
What do you all think?
Thank you very much! Yes at BU -- for now going on 6 years haha (4 undergrad, and now 2 for masters) -- surprising how I'm still a Yankees fan after all this timeAgain, can't find a proper gif...
Just really impressed by that, you're studying in the Boston area, right? That's so cool, and I wish I could provide some insight... but my expertise is limited in the English department. Best of luck, and maybe if you need any writing help, I'll love to help!
Lol I thought I was sleep deprived and was seeing things...but the clocks go ahead tonight! I was like, wow it's 3:30am? Half hour ago it was 2am
I was like, wow it's 3:30am? Half hour ago it was 2am
kap91
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One of these days I'll get hired as an illusioneer! Maybe after figuring out how to do stuff practically and not in my head. Lol. My craft skills are meager. But thanks!@kap91 No, no problem with going on a tangent! I see your view, I find practical effects much more attractive! We'll find a balance, and your know-how with ride effects will be such a powerful tool
And after posting in the One Sentence Contest, I found that we NEED a Nightmare Before Christmas attraction!
I think nightmare makes a great attraction - but not really as a permanent thing based on the content of most lands. Could work well in a villains land though.
MA Screamin'
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Thank you very much! Yes at BU -- for now going on 6 years haha (4 undergrad, and now 2 for masters) -- surprising how I'm still a Yankees fan after all this time
Listen, Yankees fans I somehow can tolerate, it's just those pesky Giants fans...
Oh I'm with you on that.Listen, Yankees fans I somehow can tolerate, it's just those pesky Giants fans...
MA Screamin'
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Hate Eli, and with Skip Bayless practically on his hoo-haa after that Brandon Marshall trade? Don't get me started
Okay, I gotta hit the hay, best of luck with your thesis @spacemt354 and to all, a good night!
Okay, I gotta hit the hay, best of luck with your thesis @spacemt354 and to all, a good night!
kap91
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Speaking of tangents and effects there's one jaw dropper the poppins ride that I haven't been able to figure out a satisfactory way to do - and I know there has to be a way.
At one point in the beginning of the ride you'll see a life size painting of the countryside and ideally want it to just sort of fade away to be replaced with the 3 dimensional one. Very much like the scrim effect of the jungle book show back in the early days of animal kingdom. The only issue is I want the vehicle to then go through it. And obviously you can't go through a scrim. My best attempt at a solution is inspired by Ellen and the terminator rides. Both of which demonstrate that a stationary project on a moving screen completely masks the movement of the screen. (that's how they get the motorcycle in and out of the screen - the whole thing lifts up to reveal a small cutout in the bottom that is filled in with fog). I want to take that a step further and use a scrim instead of screen, project onto the foreground of the scrim the 2d chalk drawing then with a lighting change and colored smoke, the scrim would move revealing a cutout for the vehicle to move through. In theory it would work but it's clunky. And not as jaw dropping as something that was like purely optics and mirror based. I think something with peppers ghost might be achievable. If say a diagonal piece of glass is stretched across the room and then the vehicle moves around that glass but idk - that would be extremely difficult to mask.
Anyway thoughts?
At one point in the beginning of the ride you'll see a life size painting of the countryside and ideally want it to just sort of fade away to be replaced with the 3 dimensional one. Very much like the scrim effect of the jungle book show back in the early days of animal kingdom. The only issue is I want the vehicle to then go through it. And obviously you can't go through a scrim. My best attempt at a solution is inspired by Ellen and the terminator rides. Both of which demonstrate that a stationary project on a moving screen completely masks the movement of the screen. (that's how they get the motorcycle in and out of the screen - the whole thing lifts up to reveal a small cutout in the bottom that is filled in with fog). I want to take that a step further and use a scrim instead of screen, project onto the foreground of the scrim the 2d chalk drawing then with a lighting change and colored smoke, the scrim would move revealing a cutout for the vehicle to move through. In theory it would work but it's clunky. And not as jaw dropping as something that was like purely optics and mirror based. I think something with peppers ghost might be achievable. If say a diagonal piece of glass is stretched across the room and then the vehicle moves around that glass but idk - that would be extremely difficult to mask.
Anyway thoughts?
Haha well they will just have more WRs on cruises the week before playoff games.Hate Eli, and with Skip Bayless practically on his hoo-haa after that Brandon Marshall trade? Don't get me started
Okay, I gotta hit the hay, best of luck with your thesis @spacemt354 and to all, a good night!
Thanks!
Good night!
MA Screamin'
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Yes! That's it, just yes!