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[D Hulk]

In all honesty --- the more I think of this the more we actually are just doing the entrance to Shanghai Disneyland which while it's a nice transition, I'd rather not just do that all over again. Since the goal of this project was to be different....maybe we direct our course that way completely.

The double deck idea sounds very intriguing (and it's not like Disney hasn't done it before...(utilidors)...this would just be on a grander scale.

But if we do go that route I can see several more things we'd need to address -- sightline issues from the top of the buildings, the downstairs facilities, and how guests can seamlessly pick on area or the other from the main entrance without creating a bottleneck

That's maybe the challenge of trying to do something new is we lose the advantage of old lessons learned. We gotta notice the new problems and hope they have solutions. In a way, I think some of Shanghai's changes were made for the sake of it, without really being improvements on the old model. (Granted, I ain't seen it in person.)

To me Paris seems like the best version of a Main Street that's modified while still working like the classic model. It has these arcades paralleling the main corridor, each behind the shops and covered (because of French weather). These help with congestion during parades and such, and provide a more tranquil route towards the hub for guests who prefer that (something that'd be nice for Fantasia Gardens, whose side pathways could be open-air). Passages hidden above the arcades allow backstage access for restocking the shops and restaurants. Now, if they'd have been able to do that proposed 1920s retheme of Paris' Main Street, even better!

So my thoughts right now...Alter the classic layout conservatively without affecting the main central corridor. Keep what works, and keep it classically Disney for the Australian market. Retheming is entirely on the table, and doing it all like Fantasia could be that bold difference we're looking for! These underground and elevated ideas - some I've been party to - I'm not sure what purpose they're serving beyond novelty. And they hide views of the castle! These are super neat ideas, no doubt, but maybe we don't need them.

 

[spacemt354]

That's maybe the challenge of trying to do something new is we lose the advantage of old lessons learned. We gotta notice the new problems and hope they have solutions. In a way, I think some of Shanghai's changes were made for the sake of it, without really being improvements on the old model. (Granted, I ain't seen it in person.)

To me Paris seems like the best version of a Main Street that's modified while still working like the classic model. It has these arcades paralleling the main corridor, each behind the shops and covered (because of French weather). These help with congestion during parades and such, and provide a more tranquil route towards the hub for guests who prefer that (something that'd be nice for Fantasia Gardens, whose side pathways could be open-air). Passages hidden above the arcades allow backstage access for restocking the shops and restaurants. Now, if they'd have been able to do that proposed 1920s retheme of Paris' Main Street, even better!

So my thoughts right now...Alter the classic layout conservatively without affecting the main central corridor. Keep what works, and keep it classically Disney for the Australian market. Retheming is entirely on the table, and doing it all like Fantasia could be that bold difference we're looking for! These underground and elevated ideas - some I've been party to - I'm not sure what purpose they're serving beyond novelty. And they hide views of the castle! These are super neat ideas, no doubt, but maybe we don't need them.

Something to discuss over the next few days -- and maybe some fresh eyes as well! I know @MonorailRed has some Australian friends that might be able to offer us insight into what the locals would like to see in a Disney park entrance...that might also help us shape what direction we go in.

As always -- I'm good with any direction we go in. This whole project is just to allow everyone to have a say and be creative at their own pace and time. I'd rather see what others want than what I would personally want to do (and to be honest -- I don't even have a preference right now which makes it even easier!)

We've got a lot of varying ideas...but maybe if it ain't broke...don't fix it (as in the template Main Street design) Might be a bit unoriginal, but at the same time, it's not just novelty for the sake of novelty. Ii'll be interested to see what direction we ultimately decide on together -- taking realism, feasibility, and also uniqueness into account!

 

[spacemt354]

Something to discuss over the next few days -- and maybe some fresh eyes as well! I know @MonorailRed has some Australian friends that might be able to offer us insight into what the locals would like to see in a Disney park entrance...that might also help us shape what direction we go in.

As always -- I'm good with any direction we go in. This whole project is just to allow everyone to have a say and be creative at their own pace and time. I'd rather see what others want than what I would personally want to do (and to be honest -- I don't even have a preference right now which makes it even easier!)

We've got a lot of varying ideas...but maybe if it ain't broke...don't fix it (as in the template Main Street design) Might be a bit unoriginal, but at the same time, it's not just novelty for the sake of novelty. Ii'll be interested to see what direction we ultimately decide on together -- taking realism, feasibility, and also uniqueness into account!

Also by going template Main Street -- I was referring to our idea of having Fantasia be the "Main Street" -- just with a more typical Main Street design like this. If that's what everyone prefers -- I wouldn't mind doing that.

 

[spacemt354]

And while I don't think any of us have been to Shanghai yet...this is an excellent walk around video of the Mickey Avenue and Gardens of Imagination areas


(Yes it does feel very similar to Sydney Waterfront then Fantasia Gardens - albeit ours was on a smaller scale similar to Disneyland,CA)

 

[D Hulk]

Something to discuss over the next few days -- and maybe some fresh eyes as well! I know @MonorailRed has some Australian friends that might be able to offer us insight into what the locals would like to see in a Disney park entrance...that might also help us shape what direction we go in.

As always -- I'm good with any direction we go in. This whole project is just to allow everyone to have a say and be creative at their own pace and time. I'd rather see what others want than what I would personally want to do (and to be honest -- I don't even have a preference right now which makes it even easier!)

We've got a lot of varying ideas...but maybe if it ain't broke...don't fix it (as in the template Main Street design) Might be a bit unoriginal, but at the same time, it's not just novelty for the sake of novelty. Ii'll be interested to see what direction we ultimately decide on together -- taking realism, feasibility, and also uniqueness into account!

Yeah, fresh eyes come tomorrow - it's late for everyone but me, right? I do really enjoy these somewhat freeform brainstorming sessions, tossing out really wild ideas. It's true Main Street is maybe more limiting creatively than the other lands. Still, I think our group has come up with some really interesting variations on many classic attractions, ones which hit that sweet spot between creativity while still satisfying what people expect form a Disneyland.

I still like Imagineering's proposed 1920s Main Street for Paris, and @MANEATINGWREATH's 1950s Main Street (which is maybe the perfect nostalgic era currently for what Walt's 1900s Main Street was in 1955). Would just playing with the street's timeline provide something unique enough? We could even go further back in time! Steampunk Victorian Main Street! @spacemt354's old Boston concept. Let's throw out variations like that, see if anything sticks.

 

[spacemt354]

Yeah, fresh eyes come tomorrow - it's late for everyone but me, right? I do really enjoy these somewhat freeform brainstorming sessions, tossing out really wild ideas. It's true Main Street is maybe more limiting creatively than the other lands. Still, I think our group has come up with some really interesting variations on many classic attractions, ones which hit that sweet spot between creativity while still satisfying what people expect form a Disneyland.

I still like Imagineering's proposed 1920s Main Street for Paris, and @MANEATINGWREATH's 1950s Main Street (which is maybe the perfect nostalgic era currently for what Walt's 1900s Main Street was in 1955). Would just playing with the street's timeline provide something unique enough? We could even go further back in time! Steampunk Victorian Main Street! @spacemt354's old Boston concept. Let's throw out variations like that, see if anything sticks.

Definitely -- these brainstorming sessions are great because eventually we will land on something good!

I'm still thinking/hoping that some Australian perspective from Red's friends and maybe others might push us in the right direction. Something inspired by the Saving Mr. Banks old fashioned Australian town? (that would be similar to Walt's home town...but put in the perspective of Australians and not purely Americana which is a trap we may fall into)

 

[englanddg]

Something to discuss over the next few days -- and maybe some fresh eyes as well! I know @MonorailRed has some Australian friends that might be able to offer us insight into what the locals would like to see in a Disney park entrance...that might also help us shape what direction we go in.

As always -- I'm good with any direction we go in. This whole project is just to allow everyone to have a say and be creative at their own pace and time. I'd rather see what others want than what I would personally want to do (and to be honest -- I don't even have a preference right now which makes it even easier!)

We've got a lot of varying ideas...but maybe if it ain't broke...don't fix it (as in the template Main Street design) Might be a bit unoriginal, but at the same time, it's not just novelty for the sake of novelty. Ii'll be interested to see what direction we ultimately decide on together -- taking realism, feasibility, and also uniqueness into account!

I know, quite personally, someone who used to work at the top theme park in Aussie.

Here...



She might be willing to judge or give advice? I could ask. She still lives in the Gold Coast.

 

[spacemt354]

I know, quite personally, someone who used to work at the top theme park in Aussie.

Here...



She might be willing to judge or give advice? I could ask. She still lives in the Gold Coast.

That would be amazing and really helpful if she could!

 

[englanddg]

btw, given the choice of venue location, the history of Dreamworld is worth looking into, if you all haven't. It's more akin to a Six Flags / Busch Gardens park currently, even sharing an odd mix of IP rights.

But, originally, it was supposed to be Disney.

 

[englanddg]

That would be amazing and really helpful if she could!

I'll ask. She is a DisNut, but not active on wdwmagic. She and I went to Disneyland Cali together though, a few years back, so I have some pull.

I'll send a message her way.

 

[spacemt354]

I'll ask. She is a DisNut, but not active on wdwmagic. She and I went to Disneyland Cali together though, a few years back, so I have some pull.

I'll send a message her way.

Very appreciated -- thank you!

 

[spacemt354]

Hmm looks like it took some influence from small world

 

[spacemt354]

Oh that's not the one in Australia

This is. Looks like Main Street. Time to read...

 

[englanddg]

Hmm looks like it took some influence from small world

Wholly intended. Read the wiki on it.

The guy originally wanted to franchise a Disneyland concept, if I remember the story well. She knows it much better than I.

 

[englanddg]

I really can't believe you all did all this, but didn't do any market survey of the area.

<clucks his judgemental tongue>

@Voxel and I disapprove!

(winks)

 

[spacemt354]

I really can't believe you all did all this, but didn't do any market survey of the area.

<clucks his judgemental tongue>

@Voxel and I disapprove!

(winks)

Ha -- many moons ago this was just a simple Fantasyland Redo project for WDW...which then grew and grew and is now a whole resort in Sydney

If it was a resort from the start the R&D work would have been done ahead of time haha.

 

[englanddg]

Ha -- many moons ago this was just a simple Fantasyland Redo project...which then grew and grew and is now a whole resort

If it was a resort from the start the R&D work would have been done ahead of time haha.

Nah, I was just poking fun.

I included @Voxel in that sort of retentive joke because he is the one who wanted to be sure to include escape and safety mechanisms on every ride when he first joined, and his passion for detail and mine clicked well.

 

[englanddg]

That said, a true Disney park, as laid out here, wouldn't have much competition from Dreamworld.

Aussies travel mostly to HK or Japan, sometimes to Cali for their Disney Fix...unlike the UK which tends to go to FL. I suspect with Shanghai, they'll check it out, but will keep with HK as their primary destination for all things Disney...

They have the knock off, they view it like a Six Flags / Busch Gardens.

One thing to consider though...Aussies do love their pleasure cruises.

 

[spacemt354]

That said, a true Disney park, as laid out here, wouldn't have much competition from Dreamworld.

Aussies travel mostly to HK or Japan, sometimes to Cali for their Disney Fix...unlike the UK which tends to go to FL. I suspect with Shanghai, they'll check it out, but will keep with HK as their primary destination for all things Disney...

They have the knock off, they view it like a Six Flags / Busch Gardens.

One thing to consider though...Aussies do love their pleasure cruises.

We were planning on having DCL dock in a harbor on resort property! Trips to New Zealand and stuff like that.

 

[englanddg]

We were planning on having DCL dock in a harbor on resort property! Trips to New Zealand and stuff like that.

I saw that in one of the layouts, I think it's a solid idea. We did it for the Brasil (dunno if you were on my team) project one time...it is an excellent way to blend the experiences.

An excellent idea.

I know quite a few middle to upper middle class aussies, and their annual pleasure cruise around the S. Pacific seems to be quite a thing.

And, speaking as an east coast american, who can drive to Orlando, if I'm going to do a cruise, I'd still much rather do a DCL one, and bookend it with WDW stays, just because of the ease of it all.

Meaning, I fly in, check into WDW, they send me to DCL, and I come back to WDW, who sends me back to the airport.

It's a bit more costly, but not by much (when you factor in all the hidden costs and fees the other places charge)...and it's just done, paid for, and easy.

You check into the bubble, you check out of the bubble, if that makes sense?