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@D Hindley @mickeyfan5534 and others -- with the prospect of possibly expanding the Fantasia Gardens to be the entire entrance to the park -- with the Sydney waterfront being reserved for shopping. Could we possibly use this playlist as the entrance music? (Several songs of which are actually from Fantasia)
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00:00 For the First Time in Forever
03:38 When You Wish Upon a Star
06:14 Russian Dance
07:24 Second Star to the Right
09:38 Married Life
11:33 You Can Fly!
13:24 Waltz of the Flowers
16:45 Let's Go Fly a Kite
19:20 Pastoral Symphony
22:32 Something There
24:45 The Sorcerer's Apprentice
26:55 Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo
28:28 An Actor's Life for Me
30:17 Nutcracker March
32:42 A Whole New World
35:27 I Know You
38:39 Le Festin
41:38 Someday My Prince Will Come
43:23 (Chim-Chim-Cheree?)/Bells of Notre Dame
46:08 Carnival of the Animals
48:36 A Spoonful of Sugar
Thoughts? P.S. I believe this loop is also played in Shanghai Disneyland as well
Brought to us again by @nelsonj3 !
00:00 For the First Time in Forever
03:38 When You Wish Upon a Star
06:14 Russian Dance
07:24 Second Star to the Right
09:38 Married Life
11:33 You Can Fly!
13:24 Waltz of the Flowers
16:45 Let's Go Fly a Kite
19:20 Pastoral Symphony
22:32 Something There
24:45 The Sorcerer's Apprentice
26:55 Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo
28:28 An Actor's Life for Me
30:17 Nutcracker March
32:42 A Whole New World
35:27 I Know You
38:39 Le Festin
41:38 Someday My Prince Will Come
43:23 (Chim-Chim-Cheree?)/Bells of Notre Dame
46:08 Carnival of the Animals
48:36 A Spoonful of Sugar
Thoughts? P.S. I believe this loop is also played in Shanghai Disneyland as well
Suchomimus
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@D Hindley @mickeyfan5534 and others -- with the prospect of possibly expanding the Fantasia Gardens to be the entire entrance to the park -- with the Sydney waterfront being reserved for shopping. Could we possibly use this playlist as the entrance music? (Several songs of which are actually from Fantasia)
Brought to us again by @nelsonj3 !
00:00 For the First Time in Forever
03:38 When You Wish Upon a Star
06:14 Russian Dance
07:24 Second Star to the Right
09:38 Married Life
11:33 You Can Fly!
13:24 Waltz of the Flowers
16:45 Let's Go Fly a Kite
19:20 Pastoral Symphony
22:32 Something There
24:45 The Sorcerer's Apprentice
26:55 Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo
28:28 An Actor's Life for Me
30:17 Nutcracker March
32:42 A Whole New World
35:27 I Know You
38:39 Le Festin
41:38 Someday My Prince Will Come
43:23 (Chim-Chim-Cheree?)/Bells of Notre Dame
46:08 Carnival of the Animals
48:36 A Spoonful of Sugar
Thoughts? P.S. I believe this loop is also played in Shanghai Disneyland as well
I don't see why we can't or shouldn't.
Here's the edit to the map with the new entrance...a lot more greenery, water, and open walkways. Thoughts?
mickeyfan5534
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Maybe some shopping/dining space. Unless Sydney Waterfront is in front of the train station which would be an interesting idea.
That seems like it's the idea...to have the shopping center right outside of the park entrance instead of on the inside.
mickeyfan5534
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@D Hindley @mickeyfan5534 and others -- with the prospect of possibly expanding the Fantasia Gardens to be the entire entrance to the park -- with the Sydney waterfront being reserved for shopping. Could we possibly use this playlist as the entrance music? (Several songs of which are actually from Fantasia)
Brought to us again by @nelsonj3 !
00:00 For the First Time in Forever
03:38 When You Wish Upon a Star
06:14 Russian Dance
07:24 Second Star to the Right
09:38 Married Life
11:33 You Can Fly!
13:24 Waltz of the Flowers
16:45 Let's Go Fly a Kite
19:20 Pastoral Symphony
22:32 Something There
24:45 The Sorcerer's Apprentice
26:55 Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo
28:28 An Actor's Life for Me
30:17 Nutcracker March
32:42 A Whole New World
35:27 I Know You
38:39 Le Festin
41:38 Someday My Prince Will Come
43:23 (Chim-Chim-Cheree?)/Bells of Notre Dame
46:08 Carnival of the Animals
48:36 A Spoonful of Sugar
Thoughts? P.S. I believe this loop is also played in Shanghai Disneyland as well
WML95 uploaded a few Disney Orchestral medleys that are really nice too.
A loop needs to be as long as reasonably possible, less your cast members go nuts from the sound. That was the primary reason that we got a new 4.5 hour loop at Hilton Head.
mickeyfan5534
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What about room for a Mickey M&G and a restaurant somewhere in the gardens? Perhaps where those two ponds are right before the hub?
Sounds good to me!
@Imagineerland I'll tag you here to keep you updated I know you were just bare bones getting started with the map.Here's the edit to the map with the new entrance...a lot more greenery, water, and open walkways. Thoughts?
We're debating about expanding the Fantasia Gardens entrance, and removing the Sydney Waterfront area -- moving it to a Disney Springs type area instead.
This would allow more room for Fantasia themed greenery, waterways, and more transitioning towards the castle. Any thoughts or opinions on this?
mickeyfan5534
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Did we ever decide on parades? I have a night parade drawn up and concepted that could be used.
No we haven't - please share!
mickeyfan5534
Well-Known Member
Basically it's Dreamlights on steroids with a traditional start that changes into a more SpectroMagicy style as it moves
Imagineerland
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Funny, I was actually typing a response to this when you tagged me.
Here's the edit to the map with the new entrance...a lot more greenery, water, and open walkways. Thoughts?
Ok I don't know how I feel about that change. At least from a technical planning and park logistics view. But there could be value here too. Not really all that sure yet.
So logistically, removing the entrance corridor just isn't done for a lot of reasons I think. Most practically, there are a lot of services that need to be held at the front of a park and that means buildings are needed. Cynically, the entrance is the place to maximize retail and other guest services based on observed guest traffic patterns. People buy on the way in and the way out, and frankly in a theme park, guests want to find the retail on the way in and the way out because they've been trained to find it then and there.
Sure this stuff could be placed outside of the park in an open retail zone, but then there's a bunch of new issues. Security and open access, contradictory themes and styles, control over the total experience, guest habits. I mean with this plan a guest would have to exit and then re-enter the park to buy merch and food, and then would be competing with non-guests, non-Disney stores, and a non-Disney theme, making an inferior experience. Just seems like a situation where if it could be in the park, it would be better for the guest experience to keep it in the park.
But besides the logistics, there are experiential and spatial values to a single entrance corridor and its basically why all the parks do it. This is more of a point to how the garden is planned out, not that it is a garden. Guest understanding of the park is easier with the single pathway leading to the center. Easier to get lost on the way out if you could have taken a bunch of branches on the way in, so having a single and very obviously emphasized path helps a lot. I mean I've heard stories of guests having trouble finding the entrance and exit of Animal Kingdom because of how the path is somewhat meandering with a single split.
Also, in a spatial compression and release aspect, the narrowness and single experience of a entry path is really effective at moving you into the park physically and thematically. The Disneyland style park entrance is a series of compressions and releases that essentially squeeze you into the park with really clever visual tricks. In a tight space, you want to move forward and then in the resulting open space, a view draws you into the next compression, over and over and over down the street. If you don't feel the need to move on, the front of a park could maybe end up with a crowding issue. And the tightness of the entrance quickly pushes your into the theme mindset because your are enveloped in a single, completely non-contradictory space, except for the park icon ahead, which is that visual that pulls you forward. I think there is value in being enclosed in a story to start of the park that would be lost in a garden that looks over to 2 or 3 other lands at once.
So those are my two points. But #1 does not mean that you cant have a garden, just that I think the outside retail (or at least only outside retail) is a bad idea and #2 does not mean that a garden couldn't fulfill those goals if designed right. It definitely could.
So this is my way too long way of saying that it probably could work but as a part of a larger entrance sequence. If you want Downtown Disney right next to the park, you could do exterior retail zone > park gate > interior retail zone > single entry corridor > Fantasia Gardens > Castle.
Which just so happens to be exactly what Shanghai Disneyland did. So yeah, that's my thought about that change.
Imagineerland
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One more comment when looking back at the map. If you are wanting to have it spatially set up with the garden just past the train station, we could keep that and put the entry retail zone outside the train station but inside the park gates. Maybe that would cause some issues that I can't see right now, but it would be worth exploring. So basically same effect as what you wanted, just having it inside the park gates and the garden design refined into an entry sequence.
Some great feedback here.
It was just a thought based on some discussion. I'm not tied to it either way...however I am a bit concerned at the novelty of a Sydney waterfront and the harsh transition to a Fantasia Gardens.
The front entrance of the park has been our main issue in that doing a main street has been done so many times, however doing a Sydney style waterfront also seems a bit un-creative to an extent since that's basically what is done at DCA (with an old fashioned California entrance) Same thing here with respect to an old fashioned Sydney Waterfront in a Sydney park location.
The one thing I do definitely agree with you on is a narrow entrance leading to a forced perspective 'weenie' the castle -- which draws the guests in further and into the hub proper. However, in the same breath, I actually liken the Fantasia Gardens entrance to that of Animal Kingdom like you were saying, but I've never heard of complaints from guests with disorientation. I actually find that entrance to be one of the best Disney has ever done at immersing the guests right away, and being a novel entrance from other more standard park designs.
So I guess my next question is -- if we include retail inside the main gates of the park, how to best transition into the hub? To go back to the Sydney Waterfront idea or to adapt it into Fantasia Gardens?