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[GhostHost1000]

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This is right now view from the monorail, forever how much the Contemporary costs this doesn’t seem acceptable.

In actually surprised they haven’t knocked those down and built another tower honestly

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This is right now view from the monorail, forever how much the Contemporary costs this doesn’t seem acceptable.

This was AKL last September.

 

[JoeCamel]

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This is right now view from the monorail, for how ever much the Contemporary costs this doesn’t seem acceptable to have the roofs this dirty.

That would make a dandy parking garage, could upsell close parking more than preferred.

 

[DisneyFanatic12]

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1: Really bad show and something that obvious should not be in view of guests until fixed.
2: Really impressive how the paint melted/liquified that much!

 

[DisneyFanatic12]

That would make a dandy parking garage, could upsell close parking more than preferred.

I think I found a good CEO candidate!

 

[JoeCamel]

I think I found a good CEO candidate!

I'm almost as old as Bob

 

[DisneyHead123]

I concur.

There’s a reason why TDR, even though it’s owned by the OLC and not Disney, now charges for Fastpass and discontinued APs entirely.

Crowds were FAR too high before so I’m happy they raised prices with the intention of bringing crowds to a sane level.

Supply and demand forced them to raise prices to drive down the insane demand for the parks, and that’s beyond the fact they’ve obviously been too greedy overall and are stalling to just allow the Epic Universe hit to happen. I think the true nickel and diming comes from excessive hotel and food costs to be honest. I genuinely think park tickets themselves aren’t too expensive. APs and other ticket pricing was far too much of a value relative to the demand.

I have mixed feelings about this (raising prices as a sort of necessary strategy.) I think in large part because I'm baffled by all of the expendable income people seem to have these days. According to this article, SquareMouth reported the average summer vacation this year as costing 10K. Presumably that's only for insured vacations as others aren't tracked, so a road trip to a motel wouldn't show up in that metric. But still, it gives a general indication of how pricing is going for what people consider "big trips". NerdWallet put the cost of "summer travel" at $3,594 but I think that included travel to any destination, like a weekend spent attending your cousin's wedding. Those numbers are crazy.

I honestly don't understand where this money is coming from. Are people not doing 401K's anymore? Do they tell Little Billy to suck it up and get loans for college so the family can go to Aruba? Is everyone now making about 400K a year? Even if they're putting these vacations on credit cards, they have to pay them back eventually, and get the credit in the first place. (Not to mention interest rates are crazy high right now.) I'm in a dual income household where we've both been lucky enough to find jobs that pay well, and I'm still driving down the road to Lidl for groceries these days and trying to eat pasta more often. Yes we do annual family vacations but they're short and we alternate between paying and staying with relatives who are awesome and treat us. I am seriously not understanding where people are finding all these thousands to throw around on a vacation, as travel keeps increasing. So I'm on the fence about price increases. Yes, Disney seems to have adjusted them for the current reality, but the current reality just makes no sense. I think current prices may be calibrated for a population that is about to experience a credit card crisis, and I'm not sure what happens after that point. To be fair I am prone to catastrophic thinking, but a part of me is surprised we're not hearing about the historical highs in credit card debt. It reminds me of 2008 when you didn't really hear anything about everyone getting these mortgages they couldn't pay off, until suddenly - very suddenly - you did.

But, there is a limit to that strategy, and I think we’re finally seeing that play out. Expanding capacity is a better long-term business strategy and it is one they’re now doing given that the parks got up to par with where the should’ve been a long time ago.

Now, it’s all about expansion. It’s very exciting.

I'm actually hoping this is true. Maybe not for the same reasons as you - I think Disney will be forced to acknowledge that they overplayed their hand during Covid, if reports of attendance drops are as pronounced as they seem to be. Pair that with EU down the road and I think the only logical conclusion is that they need to do more to woo customers back. And I actually still think the parks are pretty great in the first place, not the Mad Max-esque dystopia they're sometimes described as, lol, so adding more to a great thing is awesome, in my book.

 

[bwr827]

I'm the truest pixie duster there is and will defend the Disney parks like nobody else.....But I cruised DCL for the first time last year, and now I'm seriously considering solely cruising from now on.
I'm betting there's a significant number of folks like me doing the same.

This is so interesting to me. The cruise ships don’t have rides… do they?

 

[Tha Realest]

This is so interesting to me. The cruise ships don’t have rides… do they?

They consider the Aqua Mouse an attraction. Also probably that slide that goes from main entry to Oceaneers Club.

 

[Jrb1979]

This is so interesting to me. The cruise ships don’t have rides… do they?

It's not all that surprising. For many rides at Disney are secondary.

 

[todd23]

I honestly don't understand where this money is coming from. Are people not doing 401K's anymore? Do they tell Little Billy to suck it up and get loans for college so the family can go to Aruba? Is everyone now making about 400K a year? Even if they're putting these vacations on credit cards, they have to pay them back eventually, and get the credit in the first place. (Not to mention interest rates are crazy high right now.) I'm in a dual income household where we've both been lucky enough to find jobs that pay well, and I'm still driving down the road to Lidl for groceries these days and trying to eat pasta more often. Yes we do annual family vacations but they're short and we alternate between paying and staying with relatives who are awesome and treat us. I am seriously not understanding where people are finding all these thousands to throw around on a vacation, as travel keeps increasing.

I ask all of these same questions! I don't know how everyone seems to have so much money.

In addition to vacations, I wonder about houses. I live in a low cost of living area and still see a lot of houses for sale for 5, 6 and $700,000. How are people affording this? Not just the house itself, but the taxes, furnishings and heating/cooling. My wife and I (no kids) have solid jobs, go on vacations, etc. But having a house like that would flip us from being in a good place financially to living paycheck to paycheck.

 

[Liloandstitch3]

I have mixed feelings about this (raising prices as a sort of necessary strategy.) I think in large part because I'm baffled by all of the expendable income people seem to have these days. According to this article, SquareMouth reported the average summer vacation this year as costing 10K. Presumably that's only for insured vacations as others aren't tracked, so a road trip to a motel wouldn't show up in that metric. But still, it gives a general indication of how pricing is going for what people consider "big trips". NerdWallet put the cost of "summer travel" at $3,594 but I think that included travel to any destination, like a weekend spent attending your cousin's wedding. Those numbers are crazy.

I honestly don't understand where this money is coming from. Are people not doing 401K's anymore? Do they tell Little Billy to suck it up and get loans for college so the family can go to Aruba? Is everyone now making about 400K a year? Even if they're putting these vacations on credit cards, they have to pay them back eventually, and get the credit in the first place. (Not to mention interest rates are crazy high right now.) I'm in a dual income household where we've both been lucky enough to find jobs that pay well, and I'm still driving down the road to Lidl for groceries these days and trying to eat pasta more often. Yes we do annual family vacations but they're short and we alternate between paying and staying with relatives who are awesome and treat us. I am seriously not understanding where people are finding all these thousands to throw around on a vacation, as travel keeps increasing. So I'm on the fence about price increases. Yes, Disney seems to have adjusted them for the current reality, but the current reality just makes no sense. I think current prices may be calibrated for a population that is about to experience a credit card crisis, and I'm not sure what happens after that point. To be fair I am prone to catastrophic thinking, but a part of me is surprised we're not hearing about the historical highs in credit card debt. It reminds me of 2008 when you didn't really hear anything about everyone getting these mortgages they couldn't pay off, until suddenly - very suddenly - you did.



I'm actually hoping this is true. Maybe not for the same reasons as you - I think Disney will be forced to acknowledge that they overplayed their hand during Covid, if reports of attendance drops are as pronounced as they seem to be. Pair that with EU down the road and I think the only logical conclusion is that they need to do more to woo customers back. And I actually still think the parks are pretty great in the first place, not the Mad Max-esque dystopia they're sometimes described as, lol, so adding more to a great thing is awesome, in my book.

While a small population of daily attendance, dvc is actually pretty cost effective if you know your family will be traveling even every 2-3 years to a Disney location. Now ticket prices are a whole other ballgame, and might be pushing dvc members (and others, but I’m speaking about dvc) to go less and less than they normally would. Or, buy an annual pass to cover two trips within twelve months and take a few years off.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I ask all of these same questions! I don't know how everyone seems to have so much money.

In addition to vacations, I wonder about houses. I live in a low cost of living area and still see a lot of houses for sale for 5, 6 and $700,000. How are people affording this? Not just the house itself, but the taxes, furnishings and heating/cooling. My wife and I (no kids) have solid jobs, go on vacations, etc. But having a house like that would flip us from being in a good place financially to living paycheck to paycheck.

We live in a higher cost of living area and lived in a small condo for years in order to save for a house. But yeah, even with that, home ownership is crazy expensive. It feels there’s always an upcoming repair - time for a new roof, something is leaking, dead trees need to be removed, and so on. That’s just maintenance without updating things if styles change substantially.

So yeah, totally agree, I don’t understand where all this disposable income is coming from with across the board inflation. Groceries and household stuff costs so much more but it’s also daycare, cars and car maintenance (getting my tires replaced has gone up hundreds over the past decade), home repairs, stuff like haircuts, and so on. I suspect credit cards and loans are playing a substantial part in all this vacation spending.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This is so interesting to me. The cruise ships don’t have rides… do they?

it’s a different yet comparable experience. You’ve got the characters, shows, themed restaurants, and the immersive themed environments.

Cruising also can be great value since it’s basically an all-inclusive floating resort.

 

[Ayla]

I ask all of these same questions! I don't know how everyone seems to have so much money.

In addition to vacations, I wonder about houses. I live in a low cost of living area and still see a lot of houses for sale for 5, 6 and $700,000. How are people affording this? Not just the house itself, but the taxes, furnishings and heating/cooling. My wife and I (no kids) have solid jobs, go on vacations, etc. But having a house like that would flip us from being in a good place financially to living paycheck to paycheck.

That's why you don't live in a house you can't afford, because you're financially smart. There are some people that can do it and still live comfortably. Our house has increased in value about $125,000 in the four years we've owned it and that doesn't include any of the renovations we've done (all new kitchen and master bathroom).

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It’s only worth it if you’re going deluxe every time, but if you’re paying that much money you might as well check out the international parks like Tokyo, and unfortunately, DVC is not usable for any of the international parks so it has little to no appeal for me.

Even factoring airfare, it would be cheaper than going deluxe every year in Orlando.

When I priced it basically I wouldn’t lose money and I would stay at a deluxe vs. value or moderate for same price. But then I’d be locked in to DVC.

It’s a real stretch to “save money” with DVC - I don’t get it but I know people who have it and love it!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It’s only worth it if you’re going deluxe every time, but if you’re paying that much money you might as well check out the international parks like Tokyo, and unfortunately, DVC is not usable for any of the international parks so it has little to no appeal for me.

Even factoring airfare, it would be cheaper than going deluxe every year in Orlando.

Lmao not for a family of 5 it wouldn't be. Not to mention that the flight is 14 hours so you need to deduct at least three days worth of salary for the extra vacation time it takes to get to and from.

 

[Chi84]

When I priced it basically I wouldn’t lose money and I would stay at a deluxe vs. value or moderate for same price. But then I’d be locked in to DVC.

It’s a real stretch to “save money” with DVC - I don’t get it but I know people who have it and love it!

It works out great for us because we have 4 very young grandchildren. The kitchen and in-room laundry facilities are extremely convenient.

 

[bmr1591]

When I priced it basically I wouldn’t lose money and I would stay at a deluxe vs. value or moderate for same price. But then I’d be locked in to DVC.

It’s a real stretch to “save money” with DVC - I don’t get it but I know people who have it and love it!

You can save if you buy resale. Direct, you're looking at 25 years to break even.

 

[DisneyHead123]

While a small population of daily attendance, dvc is actually pretty cost effective if you know your family will be traveling even every 2-3 years to a Disney location. Now ticket prices are a whole other ballgame, and might be pushing dvc members (and others, but I’m speaking about dvc) to go less and less than they normally would. Or, buy an annual pass to cover two trips within twelve months and take a few years off.

Good to know… I’d never looked at DVC because I just assumed it was insanely expensive. I think the tricky thing is that the contracts are quite long and I don’t know if my son will age out of Disney in a few years or become a lifelong fan like me!