News Chapek FIRED, Iger New CEO

TheIceBaron

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I’d love to know what Disney leadership considers a fireable offense. What is considered unsustainable box office performance? What does KK need to do do to actually get fired? I can’t wait to listen to the next earnings call and see how they explain this dismal performance away.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I’d love to know what Disney leadership considers a fireable offense. What is considered unsustainable box office performance? What does KK need to do do to actually get fired? I can’t wait to listen to the next earnings call and see how they explain this dismal performance away.
She has 3 Star Wars movies under her belt with bloated box office…
They were a disaster…unmitigated…but they kinda took advantage of the fanbase and got a haul…so you can’t put the proper labels on them when it comes to here.

Beyond that LFL has become eroded but no major disasters to this point. Just a failure to get things made more than anything

Iger will fire her if he needs cover for something…If not…she’s stays
 
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GhostHost1000

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New Board of Directors meeting attire.

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WaltsTreasureChest

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It probably cost alot more than $300M, once you consider reshoots (which rarely get included in the posted budget). They actually had to bring in John Williams to re-record score sections, the reshoots were that significant. Then you add in massive promotion - the real Disney cost of this movie is likely somewhere between $450-500M. Once you factor in splits with theaters, you're looking at needing $8-900M gross just to break even. Like Little Mermaid and AntMan, this will be a colossal bomb - probably the biggest one they've had.

Oh....and anyone thinking that Crystal Skull is a worse movie than this is snorting the tea leaves, not reading them. At least during crystal skull a portion of Indy's stunts were believable. On every level, this movie was a hot mess from beginning to end. It deserves to bomb....and Kennedy deserves to be fired because of it. At one point, I was convinced that Iger was setting up Kennedy to take the hit on Indy, just like John Carter set up Rich Ross...She wont. But she deserves to be.
The new Indy movie was really enjoyable. Crystal Skull was a damn cartoon. It was also sooo much better than any of the new Star Wars too (disaster). Loved this with my fam
 
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It probably cost alot more than $300M, once you consider reshoots (which rarely get included in the posted budget). They actually had to bring in John Williams to re-record score sections, the reshoots were that significant. Then you add in massive promotion - the real Disney cost of this movie is likely somewhere between $450-500M. Once you factor in splits with theaters, you're looking at needing $8-900M gross just to break even. Like Little Mermaid and AntMan, this will be a colossal bomb - probably the biggest one they've had.

Oh....and anyone thinking that Crystal Skull is a worse movie than this is snorting the tea leaves, not reading them. At least during crystal skull a portion of Indy's stunts were believable. On every level, this movie was a hot mess from beginning to end. It deserves to bomb....and Kennedy deserves to be fired because of it. At one point, I was convinced that Iger was setting up Kennedy to take the hit on Indy, just like John Carter set up Rich Ross...She wont. But she deserves to be.
Nah, I totally disagree on this take. The new Indy movie was pretty good and Dial didn’t do anything ridiculous or over the top with his character. Plus they ended his story on a good note. My opinion on current lucasfilm is low, but I really appreciated this movie and left pretty satisfied.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I'd say solo was a pretty big disaster at this point. We don't know how big as the budget isn't really known since they re-shot 80% of the movie.
Is there a source somewhere that can say that reshoots aren't part of the 'known' budget?

I've never heard that before except as brought up on these boards in the past two days.
 

erasure fan1

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Is there a source somewhere that can say that reshoots aren't part of the 'known' budget?

I've never heard that before except as brought up on these boards in the past two days.
Not really that's why I said we don't know. I've seen budgets from 250 up to 300, but it's unclear if any of them have have the reshoots or not. Either way Solo is still a disaster as it, on the conservative side, needed around 750 to break even. It did 393, not a great look.
 

mysto

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Is there a source somewhere that can say that reshoots aren't part of the 'known' budget?

I've never heard that before except as brought up on these boards in the past two days.

I don't know about budget, but the cost is known to the penny. A production entity is created and accountants file taxes for it. Maybe it's not known to us, but federal and state taxes would be a source.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I don't know about budget, but the cost is known to the penny. A production entity is created and accountants file taxes for it. Maybe it's not known to us, but federal and state taxes would be a source.
Well, not to mention that reshoots are the norm and not the exception. I would find it hard to believe they are not accounted for in the 'known' budget.
 

SpectreJordan

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When LucasFilm and Pixar and Disney animation and Disney live action are all flopping, the problem ain't Kathleen Kennedy.
Lucasfilm was the first to start flopping though. On paper, they should've been the last to produce a flop.
I’ll say this: she has unquestionably one of the most impressive, if not the most impressive, list of films as a producer in history. How much of that is her proximity to Spielberg is up to others to decide, and to be fair, Spielberg hasn’t exactly been Speilbergian after she left. I have grave problems with some of her stewardship over Lucasfilm, and think they’re in a very bad spot due to her, but circa acquisition through at least 2017 you couldn’t find a better person to lead this studio.
Her career has been super impressive. But at this point, it's clear she needs to retire & enjoy the rest of her life.

Lucasfilm hasn't had a theatrical hit since 2017. They haven't had one that's been a hit financially/critically/fan reception wise since Rogue One in 2016. I'm not even a Disney era LF hater. I loved TFA, liked Dial/Solo/RO & think TLJ/ROS are middling. But these really aren't movies that are connecting with audiences outside of TFA & RO.

TV seemed like it would've been their saving grace with how good the first two seasons of Mando & the final season TCW were. But then the quality went out the window with their shows recently (Andor excluded).

Lucasfilm desperately needs some changes & it should start from the top first.
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to be fair Marvel had decades of fan-tested storylines to draw upon. Not to take anything away from Feige, but there was something to adapt. Lucasfilm did away with the two decades of their extended universe which had varying degrees of quality.
Lucasfilm's been taking elements from the EU, it's just that the execution hasn't always been there. The sequels took elements of the Legacy of the Force novels, particularly Han & Leia's son turning to the dark side. Solo took elements of the early Han Solo novels, like Han being an Imperial soldier & saving Chewie from them. Mandalorian has taken a couple elements of Boba Fett's EU adventures, which led to them going that extremely disappointing route with Fett in his own show.
Yes. To a certain extent. However, during the recent decline, they ignored some of those fan-tested storylines, to adopt commercially failed storylines written under disney leadership - like Ms Marvel. That, combined with terrible execution since End Game, is what caused marvel's brand decline in phase 4....

It's not as severe as the brand damage done to Star Wars and Indy by KK....and, at least with respect to Marvel, I feel it's recoverable. But it would require Fiege to come out and admit the phase 4 direction was bad from the start, do a soft reset and potentially recast major characters. Sadly, it wont happen....
The Ms Marvel comics were some of the most succesful & beloved Marvel comics of the 2010s... You probably shouldn't be listening to YTers when it comes to stuff like that lmao

"Ms. Marvel #1 was a critical and commercial hit, earning high marks from reviewers while going into seven printings; the demand for the issue was so high, it required Marvel to create more comic books seven times over to keep up. According to Comic Chron, a site that tracks and estimates comic book sales, 75,280 physical issues of Ms. Marvel #1 were sold in 2014, landing it among the top 105 issues sold that year (keep in mind that multiple issues of comics from multiple publishers are released every week).

Digitally (where sales aren’t reported by comic book companies thoroughly), we know that Ms. Marvel has traditionally been one of Marvel’s bestsellers and that over 500,000 trade paperbacks (collected, physical editions of the comic book) have been sold as of 2018."


 

Skibum1970

Well-Known Member
Lucasfilm was the first to start flopping though. On paper, they should've been the last to produce a flop.

Her career has been super impressive. But at this point, it's clear she needs to retire & enjoy the rest of her life.

Lucasfilm hasn't had a theatrical hit since 2017. They haven't had one that's been a hit financially/critically/fan reception wise since Rogue One in 2016. I'm not even a Disney era LF hater. I loved TFA, liked Dial/Solo/RO & think TLJ/ROS are middling. But these really aren't movies that are connecting with audiences outside of TFA & RO.

TV seemed like it would've been their saving grace with how good the first two seasons of Mando & the final season TCW were. But then the quality went out the window with their shows recently (Andor excluded).

Lucasfilm desperately needs some changes & it should start from the top first.

Lucasfilm's been taking elements from the EU, it's just that the execution hasn't always been there. The sequels took elements of the Legacy of the Force novels, particularly Han & Leia's son turning to the dark side. Solo took elements of the early Han Solo novels, like Han being an Imperial soldier & saving Chewie from them. Mandalorian has taken a couple elements of Boba Fett's EU adventures, which led to them going that extremely disappointing route with Fett in his own show.

The Ms Marvel comics were some of the most succesful & beloved Marvel comics of the 2010s... You probably shouldn't be listening to YTers when it comes to stuff like that lmao

"Ms. Marvel #1 was a critical and commercial hit, earning high marks from reviewers while going into seven printings; the demand for the issue was so high, it required Marvel to create more comic books seven times over to keep up. According to Comic Chron, a site that tracks and estimates comic book sales, 75,280 physical issues of Ms. Marvel #1 were sold in 2014, landing it among the top 105 issues sold that year (keep in mind that multiple issues of comics from multiple publishers are released every week).

Digitally (where sales aren’t reported by comic book companies thoroughly), we know that Ms. Marvel has traditionally been one of Marvel’s bestsellers and that over 500,000 trade paperbacks (collected, physical editions of the comic book) have been sold as of 2018."



I wonder if it similar to sports. Some coaches do a great job when they have their assistant coaches. The assistant coaches are promoted due to their team's success and then tank. Then, the former coach also has problems because his/her assistants are not as good as those that left.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Ya know what I always wondered. When George Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney, GL appointed KK to run Lucasfilm. Was he forced to do this? Did he not know how bad a direction KK was going to go in? Did KK just yes, yes GL until she had control then went her own way?
 

Trauma

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Outside of fundamentals, we do believe Disney will be purchased during the next three years... Takeover premiums have historically been 30% -40% above the public trading price for media companies," analyst Laura Martin.

This isn't the first time Needham has floated the idea of Disney being sold.

In March, Martin said that tech giant Apple (AAPL) - Get Free Report should kick the tires on a purchase as the 1.25 billion unique Apple customers and the 570 million people Disney counts as consumers every year "are worth more together than separately."
 

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