Chapek and D'Amaro continue the tradition of no bonus or Christmas gift for Disney's Cast Members

[ImperfectPixie]

I suspect that has more to do with people not staying with a company than the company itself. It's a fact that today's workforce just doesn't stick around the way our grandparents did. To get ahead and make more money, most of us have learned to company-hop and take bigger roles and salaries with each move.

And that's to the detriment of the company they're leaving in a lot of cases. Case in point - Disney ditching all their long-term Imagineers to save a buck in the short run. Good luck finding good talent willing to work for a company that will stab people in the back.

 

[PixarPerfect]

And that's to the detriment of the company they're leaving in a lot of cases. Case in point - Disney ditching all their long-term Imagineers to save a buck in the short run. Good luck finding good talent willing to work for a company that will stab people in the back.

Meh, it's cultural evolution. Those companies pick up great employees trained somewhere else which brings diversity of knowledge and experience (ahem, Pixar). It all comes out in the wash and inspired/talented employees have the opportunity to move up the ladder faster.

People are different today from how they were when the parks were created. Case in point, we're far more digital in interaction with fewer in-person connections. Comparing things people did in the past (handing out holiday hams) to today's population isn't entirely fair. We're different people.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Advancement does. Disney itself has stories of people who started off pouring sodas and are now executives. People who stand out through their work are generally rewarded and/or promoted (or can go to a company where they will receive that reward). If someone spends his or her entire career at the same entry level job, at the same company, perhaps the issue isn't with the company as it is with the person.

Those stories get told so much because they make them look good but aren’t the reality for the vast majority. It has been decades since the head of the parks was someone who came up from the parks. Josh D’Amaro is the most experienced head of parks in decades and even he got his start when he was placed in charge of Disney’s Animal Kingdom.

The problem with saying people shouldn’t stay in a role is that you don’t have enough jobs above them and you need that role filled. A small FEC that does most of its business on weekends and days when school isn’t in session can get by with a rotating crew of teenagers. But when you want to operate all day, every day at a large scale you need more people who can do it on a full time basis.

 

[eliza61nyc]

One thing I need to throw in here. If I was 18 again, no way would I attend college with the tuition rates now. Reading stories when many are just paying the interest rate (and that is $600 or more a month). Comparing then and now, you really can't because college rates have surpassed inflation by several food. That all bring said, many of these jobs will not be av starter job. They will be many people's life time job. And I don't understand why employers can't make their jobs better

Simple economics. You simply cannot pay every single position 60 thousand dollars a year as an example
Anyone who pumps gas and stays there their entire career will be poor period. I don't care how much the company makes. How do you make a job flipping burgers or washing dishes "better".
Believe me I absolutely know college tuition is insane lol I had to get three kids through college, we'll 2 through college and 1 through trade school which was also God awful expensive. We stressed it because we felt it was the best chance for them to have a great life.
Working at six flags as a ride operator would not have, no many how long they were there

 

[Quinnmac000]

This thread makes me disappointed.

A corporation can't serve without people. We haven't reached a point of automation where all jobs outside of tech are rendered useless. I get its not outside the norm to give or showcase a bonus for those who worked but its the right thing to do.

People have had a really crappy past two years, the same employees who were furloughed brought back and had to deal with a lot of uncertainty over time deserve more recognition than a golly geez thank you email.

Disney used to be the example of the future of how work should be based on their success and their employees level of comfort....

Now, I'm not saying go out and buy all your employees houses but even an extra day of paid vacation or something like that can main a lot to someone.

 

[Quinnmac000]

Simple economics. You simply cannot pay every single position 60 thousand dollars a year as an example
Anyone who pumps gas and stays there their entire career will be poor period. I don't care how much the company makes. How do you make a job flipping burgers or washing dishes "better".
Believe me I absolutely know college tuition is insane lol I had to get three kids through college, we'll 2 through college and 1 through trade school which was also God awful expensive. We stressed it because we felt it was the best chance for them to have a great life.
Working at six flags as a ride operator would not have, no many how long they were there

This is extremely elitist.

Every job has a purpose. Every job has value. If every job you consider not a 60,000 dollar job quit tomorrow, you want to see how much the economy would get wrecked?

Ask Korea how much their government hates when the taxi workers or metro workers go on strike which happens at least 10 times a year and causes massive headaches as everyone gets late for work and other business suffer.

Additionally, someone doing something year in and out would turn into a subject matter expert and would know every in and out of how to do that job making them even more valuable to keep as they should be effective trainers.

A burger flipper with 10 years experience means I don't have to worry about them messing up and they will be way more efficient at getting some done increasing my output thus deserving a raise. Additionally, their loyalty means they are not going anywhere which gives me more reason to invest in them because they are likely not leaving to go to another job.

They may not be "rich" but someone thinking long term would pay them well. Business are so focused on the next quarter and year, they only see the trees while missing the forest.

 

[PixarPerfect]

Those stories get told so much because they make them look good but aren’t the reality for the vast majority. It has been decades since the head of the parks was someone who came up from the parks. Josh D’Amaro is the most experienced head of parks in decades and even he got his start when he was placed in charge of Disney’s Animal Kingdom.

The problem with saying people shouldn’t stay in a role is that you don’t have enough jobs above them and you need that role filled. A small FEC that does most of its business on weekends and days when school isn’t in session can get by with a rotating crew of teenagers. But when you want to operate all day, every day at a large scale you need more people who can do it on a full time basis.

It doesn't have to be everyone's story but yes, those stories exist. They also exist when those skilled and desirable people leave a company and take a next level up job somewhere else. Again, most people don't stay with their first company. I'd say the overwhelming majority of the workforce does not.

Many of the retirees who work at Disney mentioned on this thread worked somewhere else first. They bring their expertise and experience to the job which, in some cases, may only need be a positive work ethic and the ability to show up each day. Not everyone has to be a superstar with a full career ahead of them. In exchange, they are paid for their time, offered benefits befitting their roles, and paid time off. All of that costs a company. The better an employee is (the more value he or she offers and the harder he or she would be to replace), the better the perks. Someone who does nothing more than show up each day and collect a pay check probably doesn't deserve a big bonus, right? They're doing the job.

We're getting into another topic here... Who is willing to do the lower-level jobs for the pay a company can afford? Not everyone can earn six figures - companies would go bankrupt. Or we, as patrons, would necessarily be charged far more to cover the overhead.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

It doesn't have to be everyone's story but yes, those stories exist. They also exist when those skilled and desirable people leave a company and take a next level up job somewhere else. Again, most people don't stay with their first company. I'd say the overwhelming majority of the workforce does not.

Many of the retirees who work at Disney mentioned on this thread worked somewhere else first. They bring their expertise and experience to the job which, in some cases, may only need be a positive work ethic and the ability to show up each day. Not everyone has to be a superstar with a full career ahead of them. In exchange, they are paid for their time, offered benefits befitting their roles, and paid time off. All of that costs a company. The better an employee is (the more value he or she offers and the harder he or she would be to replace), the better the perks. Someone who does nothing more than show up each day and collect a pay check probably doesn't deserve a big bonus, right? They're doing the job.

We're getting into another topic here... Who is willing to do the lower-level jobs for the pay a company can afford? Not everyone can earn six figures - companies would go bankrupt. Or we, as patrons, would necessarily be charged far more to cover the overhead.

Please just stop.

You're defending corporate practices that are despicable and behaviors that developed as a result of those despicable practices.

 

[PixarPerfect]

Please just stop.

You're defending corporate practices that are despicable and behaviors that developed as a result of those despicable practices.

Thank you. Bizarre response to the reality of today's corporate world, but I appreciate that you have a desire for a rosier reality.

I am curious how you'd fund a global company that gave everyone--to the most entry of entry level employee--robust salaries, annual raises, holiday bonuses, parties, maintaining high level parks, was constantly innovating and bringing new features to the market AND never raised prices for its customers beyond what they could afford? It may be important to note that Disney is a company, not a non-profit.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Thank you. Bizarre response the reality of today's corporate world, but I appreciate that you have another point of view.

I am curious how you'd fund a global company that gave everyone--to the most entry of entry level employee--robust salaries, annual raises, holiday bonuses, parties, was constantly innovating and bringing new features to the market AND never raised prices for its customers beyond what they could afford? It may be important to note that Disney is a company, not a non-profit.

Ever heard of a straw man?

 

[PixarPerfect]

Ever heard of a straw man?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Thank you. Bizarre response to the reality of today's corporate world, but I appreciate that you have a desire for a rosier reality.

I am curious how you'd fund a global company that gave everyone--to the most entry of entry level employee--robust salaries, annual raises, holiday bonuses, parties, maintaining high level parks, was constantly innovating and bringing new features to the market AND never raised prices for its customers beyond what they could afford? It may be important to note that Disney is a company, not a non-profit.

A company that posts billions in profits every year and that can afford to spend millions on developing tech that they never end up using.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Please just stop.

You're defending corporate practices that are despicable and behaviors that developed as a result of those despicable practices.

We have a labor shortage in large part because people are tired of being treated like crap and the collective response seems to be to treat these people even more like crap.

 

[Quinnmac000]

We have a labor shortage in large part because people are tired of being treated like crap and the collective response seems to be to treat these people even more like crap.

Its also why so many younger people are running to startups; at least if their life is crap in a start up after 2-3 years if its successful, they won't ever have to work again or work for someone unless they chose to.

 

[Lilofan]

Its also why so many younger people are running to startups; at least if their life is crap in a start up after 2-3 years if its successful, they won't ever have to work again or work for someone unless they chose to.

Case in point my next door neighbor graduated from expensive University of Miami, lives at home w/ parents and got together some of his friends. They all made themselves VPs of a start-up media event company and all work from their homes.

 

[John park hopper]

So these people don't want to work because they feel like they are being treated like crap. So who is feeding them and paying their rent?

 

[Quinnmac000]

So these people don't want to work because they feel like they are being treated like crap. So who is feeding them and paying their rent?

you know there are more ways to making money than going to an office...they are freelancing, creating training courses and selling them to others, creating NFTs, starting alternative revenue streams outside the mainstream.

 

[John park hopper]

you know there are more ways to making money than going to an office...they are freelancing, creating training courses and selling them to others, creating NFTs, starting alternative revenue streams outside the mainstream.

That is true but not everybody can do that

 

[Lilofan]

you know there are more ways to making money than going to an office...they are freelancing, creating training courses and selling them to others, creating NFTs, starting alternative revenue streams outside the mainstream.

My brother likes his work attire working from home when on a business Zoom call meeting w clients, a crisp dry cleaned dress shirt, boxer shorts and flip flops.

 

[PixarPerfect]

Unfortunately, corporate Utopia on the mega-scale will always be out of reach. Apple, Google, Amazon, McDonalds, Microsoft, etc. all have near-constant bellyaching from their employees that they aren't getting enough from the companies. Disney is far from alone on this. It's also far from the most profitable on that list.

It's also hard to agree that the current employment issues stem from people not receiving enough benefits. At least, if the many bonuses and raises being thrown out there are a judge. I have clients who have been offering everything plus the kitchen sink at potential employees and are still struggling to fill roles. In fact, they've had people take their jobs and ride out a 30 day window before quitting and setting up unemployment again. It's a planned effort and they're keeping the sign-on bonuses. The employment shortage is more nuanced than benefits packages.

As a consequence of all these employee woes, more and more companies are moving toward automated systems. Some of those who have stepped away to enjoy the unemployment gravy train may find there's not much left when they return. For example, let's look at Chewy.com. They have distribution centers and warehouses that <gasp> are fully automated. Instead of hiring raise-demanding, vacation-taking hourly employees to man their warehouses, they've got robots. Which is why when I order my dogs' food at 5:00PM on a Tuesday, I have it--with free shipping--on Wednesday. Without all of those benefits-needing employees, they can keep prices down and remain competitive. They can also run 24/7 because the robots don't need to go home to family.

My point is that publicly traded companies are not going to take major losses to satisfy employee grumbles. They'll instead find alternative solutions, be it moving manufacturing to other countries, "hiring" robots, or shutting down lines.