Chapek and D'Amaro continue the tradition of no bonus or Christmas gift for Disney's Cast Members

PixarPerfect

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Quinnmac000 said:
Its also why so many younger people are running to startups; at least if their life is crap in a start up after 2-3 years if its successful, they won't ever have to work again or work for someone unless they chose to.
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Unfortunately the percentage of those who find success and wealth this way is smaller than those who work their way up from entry-level to executive in the same company. It's not a common outcome.
 
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Quinnmac000

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PixarPerfect said:
Unfortunately the percentage of those who find success and wealth this way is smaller than those who work their way up from entry-level to executive in the same company. It's not a common outcome.
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Money for people isn't always the metric for success...if you love what you do or you like what you do doing those alternative money making streams, if you end up making 30,000 a year to 50,000, yea you might not be rich but there is a larger sense of life satisfaction than waking up to go do something you don't like or hate or dread going to.

For a lot of people, they go in thinking working for Disney will be a dream job but the dream job chews them up and then spits them out. Disney has the tools and resources to be that dream job but refuses to because they would rather cater to wall street but they are going to destroy their own success in the end.
 
Cesar R M

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PixarPerfect said:
There's something that's not covered by the above. Annual performance reviews and raises. People in the corporate world are not expected to stay at the same lowest level their entire careers. Good work is generally rewarded by annual raises, promotions, and an increase in perks like additional vacation time, increased profit sharing, etc. The longer one stays with a company, the more perks are generally released (see stock options).

These are performance-based rewards intended to incentivize better employees and those who give back to the company. In larger corporations, they happen at every level. A blanket gift to everyone in the company does not have the same impact. Personally I'd prefer to be rewarded for my work and have the option to move up within a company vs. having everyone receive a turkey every year.
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That seems a pipe dream in the last years...
They cut hours and maintain half turns to prevent people from gaining days off and/or longevity ( preventing longer stays to avoid getting people to retire or build vacation time).
Stocks, you either buy them or you get nothing. Most of the times the companies will most likely do stock buybacks to inflate stock prices.
Performance reviews? I keep hearing that productivity keeps raising and salaries do not do so. While executive compensation is thru the rooft. Which means the "trickle down" based on hard work is no longer there.. its eaten and sent to the tops as bonuses. While they expect you to slave away on the same job for the same salary from now on (while probably firing your coworkers that do not have your level for efficiency). I mean.. why pay 2 workers when when you "put effort', you can do 1.9 times the job for 1.0 the pay?

lazyboy97o said:
Read more carefully. I said Walt Disney World cannot operate only with students and retirees who want extra cash.
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Agree. You still need managers or people with experience and knowledge.
 
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Lilofan

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Cesar R M said:
That seems a pipe dream in the last years...
They cut hours and maintain half turns to prevent people from gaining days off and/or longevity ( preventing longer stays to avoid getting people to retire or build vacation time).
Stocks, you either buy them or you get nothing. Most of the times the companies will most likely do stock buybacks to inflate stock prices.
Performance reviews? I keep hearing that productivity keeps raising and salaries do not do so. While executive compensation is thru the rooft. Which means the "trickle down" based on hard work is no longer there.. its eaten and sent to the tops as bonuses. While they expect you to slave away on the same job for the same salary from now on (while probably firing your coworkers that do not have your level for efficiency). I mean.. why pay 2 workers when when you "put effort', you can do 1.9 times the job for 1.0 the pay?



Agree. You still need managers or people with experience and knowledge.
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Performance reviews for front line staff is good if it happens so the cast know where they stand, however the pay raises are the same for the highest and lowest performing cast member from the union contract.
 
PixarPerfect

PixarPerfect

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Quinnmac000 said:
Its also why so many younger people are running to startups; at least if their life is crap in a start up after 2-3 years if its successful, they won't ever have to work again or work for someone unless they chose to.
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Quinnmac000 said:
Money for people isn't always the metric for success...if you love what you do or you like what you do doing those alternative money making streams, if you end up making 30,000 a year to 50,000, yea you might not be rich but there is a larger sense of life satisfaction than waking up to go do something you don't like or hate or dread going to.
PixarPerfect said:
Unfortunately the percentage of those who find success and wealth this way is smaller than those who work their way up from entry-level to executive in the same company. It's not a common outcome.
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It would be very hard to never work again after 2-3 years if they don't make a lot of money! 🤣🤣🤣
 
Cesar R M

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Quinnmac000 said:
This is extremely elitist.

Every job has a purpose. Every job has value. If every job you consider not a 60,000 dollar job quit tomorrow, you want to see how much the economy would get wrecked?

Ask Korea how much their government hates when the taxi workers or metro workers go on strike which happens at least 10 times a year and causes massive headaches as everyone gets late for work and other business suffer.

Additionally, someone doing something year in and out would turn into a subject matter expert and would know every in and out of how to do that job making them even more valuable to keep as they should be effective trainers.

A burger flipper with 10 years experience means I don't have to worry about them messing up and they will be way more efficient at getting some done increasing my output thus deserving a raise. Additionally, their loyalty means they are not going anywhere which gives me more reason to invest in them because they are likely not leaving to go to another job.

They may not be "rich" but someone thinking long term would pay them well. Business are so focused on the next quarter and year, they only see the trees while missing the forest.
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Agree, take Kellog's example.
Theres rumors that the "quick cheap replacements(mostly immigrants bussed in)" because of lack of training and oversight. They made a lot of dangerous mistakes when producing a batch of products.
Some mentioning products being tainted, undercooked or overcooked (burnt) or with quality control issues.
Regardless after the news spread.. Kellog's accepted most of the strikers demands.

In the other hand its so easy to always come with the excuse "this job isnt skilled therefore you should live poor" when you're not there.

REMINDER, SALARIES HAVE NOT KEPT UP TO RISING COSTS AND INFLATION WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE.
So they are technically earning LESS per dollar than when they started.


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Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Quinnmac000 said:
you know there are more ways to making money than going to an office...they are freelancing, creating training courses and selling them to others, creating NFTs, starting alternative revenue streams outside the mainstream.
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NFs are the biggest idiotic crypto scams to ever be created.
a NFT does not even contain the image, just an address. Not even some sort of checksum.
Also all "cryptobros' who claim to have sold X picture for 300k figures or some idiotic value. Have been caught and exposed by hackers to be in relation with the "buyers". To resume, its a fraud where a group of people fake interest, sell to themselves and then try to sell it to a third person who is dumb enough to fall for it.

Biggest examples are the hilariously awful "NFT apes".
 
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Lilofan

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lazyboy97o said:
It’s not just managers and other leaders. The sheer scope of Disney’s operation requires thousands of people working the entry level positions on a full time basis.
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I think when the ball gets dropped is when someone on a full time basis in one area works in another area as a fill in or picking up an extra shift. How much impromptu training do they really get in an area they may not be familiar with? When a number of resorts, water parks, etc were closed those cast perhaps worked in other areas that were brand new to them.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Lilofan said:
Performance reviews for front line staff is good if it happens so the cast know where they stand, however the pay raises are the same for the highest and lowest performing cast member from the union contract.
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Was talking about general corporate, not Disney union employees. Sorry for not being clear.
 
Brer Panther

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Let me guess. The money that could've been given to the cast members as their bonuses will instead be used to fund the stupid Splash Mountain retheme.
 
eliza61nyc

eliza61nyc

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Quinnmac000 said:
This is extremely elitist.

Every job has a purpose. Every job has value. If every job you consider not a 60,000 dollar job quit tomorrow, you want to see how much the economy would get wrecked?

Ask Korea how much their government hates when the taxi workers or metro workers go on strike which happens at least 10 times a year and causes massive headaches as everyone gets late for work and other business suffer.

Additionally, someone doing something year in and out would turn into a subject matter expert and would know every in and out of how to do that job making them even more valuable to keep as they should be effective trainers.

A burger flipper with 10 years experience means I don't have to worry about them messing up and they will be way more efficient at getting some done increasing my output thus deserving a raise. Additionally, their loyalty means they are not going anywhere which gives me more reason to invest in them because they are likely not leaving to go to another job.

They may not be "rich" but someone thinking long term would pay them well. Business are so focused on the next quarter and year, they only see the trees while missing the forest.
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hogwash,
It is absolutely not elitist. No where did I say they don't have "value" but some jobs are valued at higher wages than others. I didn't make those rules society does. This golden utopia bull crap has never been reality. Yeah the burger flipper has experience IT STILL A HAMBURGER that does not take a lot to make and we are seeing that play out as many Mcdonalds are going to automation. Supermarkets are finding that out as more and more have self check out lanes. so yeah the cashier does have value, and it's about 10-15 bucks an hour. Yes there is a difference, my hamburger gets messed up, which happens all the time, life goes on. My surgeon messes up during surgery? the electrician some one hires to wire their home is going to get paid a great salary, 10 years experience pumping gas?? in fact, most states that job is gone because most people pump their own.

Maybe I live in a different world, the jobs you are talking about are going unfilled currently and they pretty much they are going on.
Once again I did not say they had NO value, they are being paid. Heck I went on Disney's website and payscales are all over the place. Resort bell service is starting out at $6.98. yes I am sure they are wonderful folks and they do have value as people but sorry I am not encouraging my child to make a lifetime goal of being a bellhop. and that is not Elitist
 
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lazyboy97o

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eliza61nyc said:
hogwash,
It is absolutely not elitist. No where did I say they don't have "value" but some jobs are valued at higher wages than others. I didn't make those rules society does. This golden utopia bull crap has never been reality. Yeah the burger flipper has experience IT STILL A HAMBURGER that does not take a lot to make and we are seeing that play out as many Mcdonalds are going to automation. Supermarkets are finding that out as more and more have self check out lanes. so yeah the cashier does have value, and it's about 10-15 bucks an hour. Yes there is a difference, my hamburger gets messed up, which happens all the time, life goes on. My surgeon messes up during surgery? the electrician some one hires to wire their home is going to get paid a great salary, 10 years experience pumping gas?? in fact, most states that job is gone because most people pump their own.

Maybe I live in a different world, the jobs you are talking about are going unfilled currently and they pretty much they are going on.
Once again I did not say they had NO value, they are being paid. Heck I went on Disney's website and payscales are all over the place.
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And what can and has happened when an attraction starts to make a funny noise? Oh right, people can die.
 
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Quinnmac000

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Cesar R M said:
NFs are the biggest idiotic crypto scams to ever be created.
a NFT does not even contain the image, just an address. Not even some sort of checksum.
Also all "cryptobros' who claim to have sold X picture for 300k figures or some idiotic value. Have been caught and exposed by hackers to be in relation with the "buyers". To resume, its a fraud where a group of people fake interest, sell to themselves and then try to sell it to a third person who is dumb enough to fall for it.

Biggest examples are the hilariously awful "NFT apes".
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While I haven't sold a NFT for 300K, I did manage to sell a few for 3-4 grand. So 16K in two months wasn't bad. But then again, it was more than just a jpeg and wasn't a skin style image.
 

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