Chapek and D'Amaro continue the tradition of no bonus or Christmas gift for Disney's Cast Members

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Lilofan

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lazyboy97o said:
And what can and has happened when an attraction starts to make a funny noise? Oh right, people can die.
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2003 DLR Thunder Mountain railroad - attractions cast heard noises from train car. Mechanics went to check it out, not fix the issue, ride then operated resulting in derailment and death of guest in front car. Eisner then went to face media after incident.
 
ImperfectPixie

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eliza61nyc said:
Not at all and if you read my post I said they all deserve to get paid and unfortunately many of these low wage positions are being phased out
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And that's not a good thing. This is why corporations need more regulations...if they're going to do business and make money off of the communities in which they do that business, they should give back to that community by providing jobs at the very least.
 
PixarPerfect

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Quinnmac000 said:
And what is a burger flipper with 10 years experience (a specialist some might say)
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A specialist at a low-level, low-paying job. Not an executive. Not management. Unless you want to call him a manager of a spatula and grill?

There is such a thing as rewarding initiative. Had that same burger flipper streamlined the kitchen, saved the company money, or shown himself a leader, he would have been promoted to something more than a burger flipper. He would have earned more. People are paid for the work that they do which generally connects with the skills required to do the job in the first place.
 
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PixarPerfect said:
A specialist at a low-level, low-paying job. Not an executive. Not management. Unless you want to call him a manager of a spatula and grill?

There is such a thing as rewarding initiative. Had that same burger flipper streamlined the kitchen, saved the company money, or shown himself a leader, he would have been promoted to something more than a burger flipper. He would have earned more. People are paid for the work that they do which generally connects with the skills required to do the job in the first place.
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You are making assumptions everyone has aspiration goals to go beyond the skills they have and you are looking at it from a white collar perspective over blue collar. Let's move beyond the burger analogy and change it to retail to help you see my point.

You have Hillary and you have Wanda both in retail sales as clothing sales technicians. Their jobs are to ring up customers/fold laundry/and provide basic customer service. Hilary has worked in the store in this same role for 8 years, knows the in and outs, and because she worked this specific role so long she also learned by herself how to troubleshoot issues with the register and card machine. Wanda has worked this position for 1 year, she isn't good at folding clothes and due to the lack of longevity, everytime a customer yells at her she takes it personal. Its black friday, customers are angry and the register has stopped working. Which employee are you glad still works the floor and has value added in this situation? The one who has done this and only this for 8 years.

Specialist dictionary per webster: a person who concentrates primarily on a particular subject or activity; a person highly skilled in a specific and restricted field.

Is everyone good at everything? No. Last time I checked there are people horrible at plenty of things and one of them is cooking.

There are tons of people who take imitative everyday who don't want to be administrative which typically happens when you move up and solely want to focus on their current skills and improving those which does save you money and streamline things. Most labour extensive jobs are those who gain efficiency over time.

These thought process punishes those people and is probably why compared to the past why service, care, and quality of products in all aspects are so crappy these days.

Its screams screw passion, you shouldn't want to do this for life, its low class, its skill less, it's this, its that.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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PixarPerfect said:
A specialist at a low-level, low-paying job. Not an executive. Not management. Unless you want to call him a manager of a spatula and grill?

There is such a thing as rewarding initiative. Had that same burger flipper streamlined the kitchen, saved the company money, or shown himself a leader, he would have been promoted to something more than a burger flipper. He would have earned more. People are paid for the work that they do which generally connects with the skills required to do the job in the first place.
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How is it that a Double Double costs less than a Quarter Pounder but the employees making the Double Double are paid more?

Wages aren’t just about skill but also availability. People want to be able to get a burger at 2:00 on a Tuesday which means you need people who can afford to be there at 2:00 on a Tuesday.
 
eliza61nyc

eliza61nyc

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lazyboy97o said:
This general attitude is also why we have a need for well paying “blue collar” jobs like welders or even nurses. They’re not respected and even with higher wages being offered it isn’t enough to incentivize people.
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Really?? I wonder if its a regional issue. Around here (Pa/NJ/De) the trade jobs are well respected. Philadelphia is a very union city though so that may help. I'm good friends with 2 welders, their big complaint is that it's very physically demanding work, supposedly hard on your body. My oldest toyed with becoming one but decided on HVAC and pipe fitting. I believe he said journeyman pipefitters start out at 45.00/ hr
 
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lazyboy97o

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eliza61nyc said:
Really?? I wonder if its a regional issue. Around here (Pa/NJ/De) the trade jobs are well respected. Philadelphia is a very union city though so that may help. I'm good friends with 2 welders, their big complaint is that it's very physically demanding work, supposedly hard on your body. My oldest toyed with becoming one but decided on HVAC and pipe fitting.
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No, it’s a national issue.

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JoeCamel

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lazyboy97o said:
This general attitude is also why we have a need for well paying “blue collar” jobs like welders or even nurses. They’re not respected and even with higher wages being offered it isn’t enough to incentivize people.
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And the guy you depend on to keep your ride running so you can get to work and food. "Grease monkey" is a personal affront to me. Hope you know how to fix a rolling computer farm - I do...
 
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eliza61nyc said:
Simple economics. You simply cannot pay every single position 60 thousand dollars a year as an example
Anyone who pumps gas and stays there their entire career will be poor period. I don't care how much the company makes. How do you make a job flipping burgers or washing dishes "better".
Believe me I absolutely know college tuition is insane 😳 lol I had to get three kids through college, we'll 2 through college and 1 through trade school which was also God awful expensive. We stressed it because we felt it was the best chance for them to have a great life.
Working at six flags as a ride operator would not have, no many how long they were there
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First, I apologize for the errors in the original post. I wrote from my phone and the cell keyboard and I don't get along.

I am not saying "Let's give everyone $60k a year". But, I do I think everyone who works 40 hours a week should be able to afford rent, food, and utilities. That is a bit off-topic. My post was more for employees receiving a Christmas bonus. What is wrong with at least a $50 gift card come Christmas? I mean come on. I know people don't do Christmas bonus's anymore, but give your low-paying workers something. When I first started in the corporate world (a very long time ago), I was working for a very cheap company. I am not going to provide their name because I am sure most people on this post would recognize the name. Anyway, on Thanksgiving and Christmas, we had a choice of ham or turkey. Picking up the turkey during the holidays would bring tears to my eyes. I also received these dining coupons that were like restaurant gift cards when employees went above and beyond. As a single parent, you better believe I went above and beyond. That was how we ate most of the time for the first few years (until I had experience under my belt and commanded better pay). It has been a long time, but I don't think I will ever forget how hard it was. By giving a little something for the holidays I am sure will go a long way.

I don't think it should be looked down upon if a ride operator moves up at stays with the parks if that is what they want (or simply can't find other work). There have to be managers somewhere in the parks. But now, with people acting insane, I can't imagine why anyone would. I personally would rather be doing just about anything else that is not in the customer service industry. People have lost their minds.
 
PixarPerfect

PixarPerfect

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Quinnmac000 said:
You are making assumptions everyone has aspiration goals to go beyond the skills they have and you are looking at it from a white collar perspective over blue collar. Let's move beyond the burger analogy and change it to retail to help you see my point.

You have Hillary and you have Wanda both in retail sales as clothing sales technicians. Their jobs are to ring up customers/fold laundry/and provide basic customer service. Hilary has worked in the store in this same role for 8 years, knows the in and outs, and because she worked this specific role so long she also learned by herself how to troubleshoot issues with the register and card machine. Wanda has worked this position for 1 year, she isn't good at folding clothes and due to the lack of longevity, everytime a customer yells at her she takes it personal. Its black friday, customers are angry and the register has stopped working. Which employee are you glad still works the floor and has value added in this situation? The one who has done this and only this for 8 years.

Specialist dictionary per webster: a person who concentrates primarily on a particular subject or activity; a person highly skilled in a specific and restricted field.

Is everyone good at everything? No. Last time I checked there are people horrible at plenty of things and one of them is cooking.

There are tons of people who take imitative everyday who don't want to be administrative which typically happens when you move up and solely want to focus on their current skills and improving those which does save you money and streamline things. Most labour extensive jobs are those who gain efficiency over time.

These thought process punishes those people and is probably why compared to the past why service, care, and quality of products in all aspects are so crappy these days.

Its screams screw passion, you shouldn't want to do this for life, its low class, its skill less, it's this, its that.
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We can chat retail, burgers, mail room, or whatever you like. I'm NOT disagreeing that someone who is good at his or her job should be rewarded. Never said that. Never once. In fact, I've said and fully believe the opposite. People who are good and show skill should be rewarded. In your scenario, I would have promoted Hillary a long time ago.

The difference is that there has been a general comment in this discussion that EVERYONE, good or not at his or her job, should receive a bonus or a ham or some sort of something just because they are employed by a company. That to be employed, no matter how entry-level, no matter how skilled, no matter whether he or she stays late to go the extra mile or is a clock watcher who barely exerts the minimal effort at the lowliest job, that the mere fact that they were once hired by the company and have managed to retain that job, he or she should be compensated well. That's counter-productive to growth and excellence. Wanda does not deserve the same reward as Hillary. She just doesn't.

Everyone does not deserve a blue ribbon just for showing up. Corporations are set up to reward by merit, not existence. I agree with that.
 
PixarPerfect

PixarPerfect

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lazyboy97o said:
This general attitude is also why we have a need for well paying “blue collar” jobs like welders or even nurses. They’re not respected and even with higher wages being offered it isn’t enough to incentivize people.
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Most electricians and plumbers in my area earn more than most college grads. Frankly, I don't know anyone who disrespects a professional who works hard and shows initiative, no matter the chosen trade. We all know we need each other. In fact, my electrician and I recently had a discussion about why it was a smart idea for his son to follow him into the business rather than go to college. It made perfect sense to me.
 
ImperfectPixie

ImperfectPixie

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PixarPerfect said:
We can chat retail, burgers, mail room, or whatever you like. I'm NOT disagreeing that someone who is good at his or her job should be rewarded. Never said that. Never once. In fact, I've said and fully believe the opposite. People who are good and show skill should be rewarded. In your scenario, I would have promoted Hillary a long time ago.

The difference is that there has been a general comment in this discussion that EVERYONE, good or not at his or her job, should receive a bonus or a ham or some sort of something just because they are employed by a company. That to be employed, no matter how entry-level, no matter how skilled, no matter whether he or she stays late to go the extra mile or is a clock watcher who barely exerts the minimal effort at the lowliest job, that the mere fact that they were once hired by the company and have managed to retain that job, he or she should be compensated well. That's counter-productive to growth and excellence. Wanda does not deserve the same reward as Hillary. She just doesn't.

Everyone does not deserve a blue ribbon just for showing up. Corporations are set up to reward by merit, not existence. I agree with that.
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No. Someone who is bad at their job or who obviously only does the bare minimum to skate by (these people are easy to spot - like the kid at Dollar Tree who couldn't figure out how to wrap a mug in newspaper, or my SIL who couldn't figure out why the bank she was fired from was so upset that her drawer was constantly short) should be fired. The problem is that GOOD employees are being treated as if they're disposable.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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PixarPerfect said:
Most electricians and plumbers in my area earn more than most college grads. Frankly, I don't know anyone who disrespects a professional who works hard and shows initiative, no matter the chosen trade. We all know we need each other. In fact, my electrician and I recently had a discussion about why it was a smart idea for his son to follow him into the business rather than go to college. It made perfect sense to me.
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Being pleasant in person doesn’t negate the larger expressions of low value, ones that permeate the culture.
 
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