Changes at DTD

[lazyboy97o]

It wouldn't fail if located away from mixed use areas.

Downtown Disney is not mixed-use. There are no residents or non-retail businesses. The failure was the West Side, not Pleasure Island. A new complex would want an anchor of retail, to take advantage of their mutual attractions. They would be built next to each other, not within, just as was done in 1989. A standalone complex would also have higher operating costs, needing it's own security, entertainment, transportation, infrastructure, etc.

 

[jt04]

Downtown Disney is not mixed-use. There are no residents or non-retail businesses. The failure was the West Side, not Pleasure Island. A new complex would want an anchor of retail, to take advantage of their mutual attractions. They would be built next to each other, not within, just as was done in 1989. A standalone complex would also have higher operating costs, needing it's own security, entertainment, transportation, infrastructure, etc.

That is an interesting opinion. Wrong but interesting.

 

[SeaCastle]

That is an interesting opinion. Wrong but interesting.

Not sure how an opinion could be wrong. :shrug:

Do you know how Pleasure Island failed?

 

[jt04]

Not sure how an opinion could be wrong. :shrug:

Do you know how Pleasure Island failed?

At one time some people were under the opinion the earth was flat.




No.

 

[wm49rs]

At one time some people were under the opinion the earth was flat.




No.

Then how is he wrong?

 

[lazyboy97o]

At one time some people were under the opinion the earth was flat.




No.

How does that in any way address anything?

 

[overdrive]

He's just mad its a year later and his bold new prediction hasn't happened and its making him look bad. :ROFLOL:

 

[SeaCastle]

At one time some people were under the opinion the earth was flat.




No.

The earth being flat wasn't a matter of opinion. Back then, it was a widely-accepted fact, albeit a totally incorrect fact.

With all due respect, if you yourself don't know the real reason Pleasure Island closed, then who are you to say his opinion is wrong? I for one don't know the exact reason Pleasure Island closed (I have posted an assumption of why it did a few days ago) but that's like putting a box in a middle of a room and guessing what's inside it, and each guess is as good as the other. :shrug:

 

[jt04]

The earth being flat wasn't a matter of opinion. Back then, it was a widely-accepted fact, albeit a totally incorrect fact.

WHAT??? :brick::brick::brick:

With all due respect, if you yourself don't know the real reason Pleasure Island closed, then who are you to say his opinion is wrong? I for one don't know the exact reason Pleasure Island closed (I have posted an assumption of why it did a few days ago) but that's like putting a box in a middle of a room and guessing what's inside it, and each guess is as good as the other. :shrug:

If somebody guessed an ocean liner was in the box it would not be as good a guess as someone suggesting a working model of the PI's bold new vision was within. :lookaroun

 

[wm49rs]

If somebody guessed an ocean liner was in the box it would not be as good a guess as someone suggesting a working model of the PI's bold new vision was within. :lookaroun

Better guess than what I've read in this thread about PI's future....

 

[kapeman]

The earth being flat wasn't a matter of opinion. Back then, it was a widely-accepted fact, albeit a totally incorrect fact.

OT, but anyway...

The ancient Greeks thought the world as round and Eratosthenes calculated the Earth's circumference in 240 BCE.

Later, St. Augustine promoted the sphere idea and then in the Middle Ages, the idea was fairly widespread.

Basically, it is a common misconception that the people's of antiquity all thought that the Earth was flat. Yes, some did, but it was not the prevailing opinion in any time that I can find.https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Eratosthenes

 

[SeaCastle]

If somebody guessed an ocean liner was in the box it would not be as good a guess as someone suggesting a working model of the PI's bold new vision was within. :lookaroun

What bold new vision?

OT, but anyway...

The ancient Greeks thought the world as round and Eratosthenes calculated the Earth's circumference in 240 BCE.

Later, St. Augustine promoted the sphere idea and then in the Middle Ages, the idea was fairly widespread.

Basically, it is a common misconception that the people's of antiquity all thought that the Earth was flat. Yes, some did, but it was not the prevailing opinion in any time that I can find.

My mistake then, thanks! :wave:

 

[vonpluto]

If somebody guessed an ocean liner was in the box it would not be as good a guess as someone suggesting a working model of the PI's bold new vision was within. :lookaroun

Stretching JT.....
Suggesting that the mysterious PI/BNV is going to work.

 

[wm49rs]

Leading the bold new vision:

 

[lazyboy97o]

If somebody guessed an ocean liner was in the box it would not be as good a guess as someone suggesting a working model of the PI's bold new vision was within. :lookaroun

That's a lot of pomp coming from one who has openly admitted to knowing nothing.

 

[Master Yoda]

That's a lot of pomp coming from one who has openly admitted to knowing nothing.

At first I thought you said something else. You could edit it if you like as I feel what I thought you said works better than what you did say.

 

[71jason]

Disney can but Disney aspires to be better than others in theory.

The boy who lived would beg to differ.

It wouldn't fail if located away from mixed use areas.

Just to clarify, JT... Are you agreeing with LazyBoy that West Side was a failure? Or saying PI was a failure? The former is arguable--it certainly failed as originally intended--but even with no advertising support and slashed entertainment budgets, PI was never a failure by any financial or creative measure.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Schools obviously out again. Or is the Sheriffs office missing a deputy?

Reading a Jt post is like the sound track of this World Cup.

 

[jt04]

The boy who lived would beg to differ.



Just to clarify, JT... Are you agreeing with LazyBoy that West Side was a failure? Or saying PI was a failure? The former is arguable--it certainly failed as originally intended--but even with no advertising support and slashed entertainment budgets, PI was never a failure by any financial or creative measure.

West Side was destined to underperform. By allowing DTD to become divided it created a fundamentally flawed business model. It just didn't serrve Disney's WDW core audience/customer base in a way that was as successful as it should have. Hopefully it will soon live up to its potential, which is substantial. PI had the effect of dragging down other areas or limiting their potential.

 

[wm49rs]

West Side was destined to underperform. By allowing DTD to become divided it created a fundamentally flawed business model. It just didn't serrve Disney's WDW core audience/customer base in a way that was as successful as it should have. Hopefully it will soon live up to its potential, which is substantial. PI had the effect of dragging down other areas or limiting their potential.

So, now we've gone from a "bold new vision" for PI to "Hopefully it will soon live up to its potential." Quite the verbal backflip there.....