Cast Member Standards

rct247

Well-Known Member
It's not exclusive to Disney. It's not new. It's not really one specific reason for it, but it more noticeable and true.

It's honestly a variety if factors, but I wish as a society it was better.
  • Generational differences in job loyalty and what people expect from a job in return for what they put in
  • Globalism with more exposure and competition to other jobs, benefits, wages, and opportunities.
  • Do less with more, profit driven executives
  • More extreme environmental conditions like working in horrid heat and humidity
  • Personal baggage with more employees dealing with hardships that they being to work rather than leave at the door, including a rise in anxiety and nuerodivergent people
  • Relaxed hiring screening practices due to the volume of people needed to fill positions
  • Rude and entitled customers created by relaxed society standards mixed with high expectations due perceived value and unrealistic commercial promotions
  • Reduced accountability and discipline for poor attitudes or performance often exacerbated by inexperienced managers, lack of manager engagement within an operation, and/or limitations based on corportate policies or union contracts
  • The telephone game effect when it comes to passing key values, expectations, best practices, and standards to new employees
  • Proliferation of accessible technology like cell phones, smart watches, social media, earbuds, etc.
  • Reduced employee connections to a brand (less likely to want to also enjoy visiting that location outside of work).
  • Laziness and human nature to always looks for ways to cut corners (not just at work)
  • Communication and cultural differences with a more global and mixed consumer base leading to strained interactions and frustration

I see it when I order at a fast food restaurant when they bark through the speaker box and are on their phone with no smile at the window when you pay. I see it with a Disney when Cast Members are half in their costume without a name tag on walking into work. I see it when retailers are blocking asides to load in product without thinking of the customer.

Disney still has stand out moments, but I also see that other places have theirs as well like Chickfila with friendliness, Buccees with cleanliness, Dunkin with a good rewards program. But I've also had poor experiences at places decades ago too.
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
It's not exclusive to Disney. It's not new. It's not really one specific reason for it, but it more noticeable and true.

It's honestly a variety if factors, but I wish as a society it was better.
  • Generational differences in job loyalty and what people expect from a job in return for what they put in
  • Globalism with more exposure and competition to other jobs, benefits, wages, and opportunities.
  • Do less with more, profit driven executives
  • More extreme environmental conditions like working in horrid heat and humidity
  • Personal baggage with more employees dealing with hardships that they being to work rather than leave at the door, including a rise in anxiety and nuerodivergent people
  • Relaxed hiring screening practices due to the volume of people needed to fill positions
  • Rude and entitled customers created by relaxed society standards mixed with high expectations due perceived value and unrealistic commercial promotions
  • Reduced accountability and discipline for poor attitudes or performance often exacerbated by inexperienced managers, lack of manager engagement within an operation, and/or limitations based on corportate policies or union contracts
  • The telephone game effect when it comes to passing key values, expectations, best practices, and standards to new employees
  • Proliferation of accessible technology like cell phones, smart watches, social media, earbuds, etc.
  • Reduced employee connections to a brand (less likely to want to also enjoy visiting that location outside of work).
  • Laziness and human nature to always looks for ways to cut corners (not just at work)
  • Communication and cultural differences with a more global and mixed consumer base leading to strained interactions and frustration

I see it when I order at a fast food restaurant when they bark through the speaker box and are on their phone with no smile at the window when you pay. I see it with a Disney when Cast Members are half in their costume without a name tag on walking into work. I see it when retailers are blocking asides to load in product without thinking of the customer.

Disney still has stand out moments, but I also see that other places have theirs as well like Chickfila with friendliness, Buccees with cleanliness, Dunkin with a good rewards program. But I've also had poor experiences at places decades ago too.
MY #1 peeve with the service industry is when I as a customer say thank you and the reply is "no problem".
I don't care if it's a problem you are getting paid to handle it!
I want a "you're welcome" as an acknowledgment that I just put money into the business that allows you to put food on your table and a roof over your head.
I got old
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
It's not exclusive to Disney. It's not new. It's not really one specific reason for it, but it more noticeable and true.

It's honestly a variety if factors, but I wish as a society it was better.
  • Generational differences in job loyalty and what people expect from a job in return for what they put in
  • Globalism with more exposure and competition to other jobs, benefits, wages, and opportunities.
  • Do less with more, profit driven executives
  • More extreme environmental conditions like working in horrid heat and humidity
  • Personal baggage with more employees dealing with hardships that they being to work rather than leave at the door, including a rise in anxiety and nuerodivergent people
  • Relaxed hiring screening practices due to the volume of people needed to fill positions
  • Rude and entitled customers created by relaxed society standards mixed with high expectations due perceived value and unrealistic commercial promotions
  • Reduced accountability and discipline for poor attitudes or performance often exacerbated by inexperienced managers, lack of manager engagement within an operation, and/or limitations based on corportate policies or union contracts
  • The telephone game effect when it comes to passing key values, expectations, best practices, and standards to new employees
  • Proliferation of accessible technology like cell phones, smart watches, social media, earbuds, etc.
  • Reduced employee connections to a brand (less likely to want to also enjoy visiting that location outside of work).
  • Laziness and human nature to always looks for ways to cut corners (not just at work)
  • Communication and cultural differences with a more global and mixed consumer base leading to strained interactions and frustration

I see it when I order at a fast food restaurant when they bark through the speaker box and are on their phone with no smile at the window when you pay. I see it with a Disney when Cast Members are half in their costume without a name tag on walking into work. I see it when retailers are blocking asides to load in product without thinking of the customer.

Disney still has stand out moments, but I also see that other places have theirs as well like Chickfila with friendliness, Buccees with cleanliness, Dunkin with a good rewards program. But I've also had poor experiences at places decades ago too.

I don’t necessarily agree with every single point, but overall really good analysis. A few points I’d add:

- Orlando is a weird situation in that they surely need a mind boggling number of service employees concentrated in a relatively small area. It keeps getting compared to ChickfilA - ChickfilA can hire all the teens from the local church’s teen small groups and be done with it. The scale of Orlando has to be quite different.

- Young people are often under pressure to start a white collar career path from early on. Unpaid internships vs. service jobs. Fewer young people work those types of jobs these days.

- Florida has incredibly strict laws regarding undocumented workers. That wouldn’t impact Disney, but might impact surrounding businesses thus lowering the overall labor pool.

- Disney used to offer more to build employee cohesion and morale, didn’t they? Employee park nights, that type of thing?

Even all of that taken into account, I haven’t seen a huge decline in customer service at Disney. At this point I have no real concerns in that area, I know others mileage may vary but so far it’s been fine when I’ve visited.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
I don’t necessarily agree with every single point, but overall really good analysis. A few points I’d add:

- Orlando is a weird situation in that they surely need a mind boggling number of service employees concentrated in a relatively small area. It keeps getting compared to ChickfilA - ChickfilA can hire all the teens from the local church’s teen small groups and be done with it. The scale of Orlando has to be quite different.

- Young people are often under pressure to start a white collar career path from early on. Unpaid internships vs. service jobs. Fewer young people work those types of jobs these days.

- Florida has incredibly strict laws regarding undocumented workers. That wouldn’t impact Disney, but might impact surrounding businesses thus lowering the overall labor pool.

- Disney used to offer more to build employee cohesion and morale, didn’t they? Employee park nights, that type of thing?

Even all of that taken into account, I haven’t seen a huge decline in customer service at Disney. At this point I have no real concerns in that area, I know others mileage may vary but so far it’s been fine when I’ve visited.
Strict laws regarding undocumented workers? Apparently you may not be aware that agriculture and tourism are the top two revenue generating industries in FL employing a number of them.
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
Strict laws regarding undocumented workers? Apparently you may not be aware that agriculture and tourism are the top two revenue generating industries in FL employing a number of them.

I said the law exists, which it does. I don’t have any information on how strictly it’s enforced but as this was a very recent change (2023), my guess is at least somewhat. No law will have 100% enforcement but relatively speaking, it probably has an impact.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
MY #1 peeve with the service industry is when I as a customer say thank you and the reply is "no problem".
I don't care if it's a problem you are getting paid to handle it!
I want a "you're welcome" as an acknowledgment that I just put money into the business that allows you to put food on your table and a roof over your head.
I got old
This is a generational thing.

"You're welcome" sounds rude to the younger generations.

"No problem" is the same as "you're welcome" but comes off as less rude, I guess because we started using "you're welcome" sarcastically at some point.

 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
This is a generational thing.

"You're welcome" sounds rude to the younger generations.

"No problem" is the same as "you're welcome" but comes off as less rude, I guess because we started using "you're welcome" sarcastically at some point.

I can't read the article but I do know I don't like it as it shows no gratitude and appreciation for the customer
As I said I got old
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
This is a generational thing.

"You're welcome" sounds rude to the younger generations.

"No problem" is the same as "you're welcome" but comes off as less rude, I guess because we started using "you're welcome" sarcastically at some point.


I’m mid 40s and I definitely don’t say it in emails to colleagues. To me it comes across as a bit frosty.

It’s kind of like the habit (that I’m sure also irks some posters here) of adding exclamation marks or a smiley face to random sentences in emails to indicate a tone of cheerfulness or camaraderie. In certain generations being too formal indicates that you’re holding someone at a distance for whatever reason. Like maybe you’re expecting something contentious to happen in the interaction so you’re using sort of forced, formal language.

I notice even at the much lauded ChickfilA they don’t say “You’re welcome”, they say “My pleasure”.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I’m mid 40s and I definitely don’t say it in emails to colleagues. To me it comes across as a bit frosty.

It’s kind of like the habit (that I’m sure also irks some posters here) of adding exclamation marks or a smiley face to random sentences in emails to indicate a tone of cheerfulness or camaraderie. In certain generations being too formal indicates that you’re holding someone at a distance for whatever reason. Like maybe you’re expecting something contentious to happen in the interaction so you’re using sort of forced, formal language.

I notice even at the much lauded ChickfilA they don’t say “You’re welcome”, they say “My pleasure”.
Yeah, I usually say "No problem" to colleagues or "Of course!"

There's a reason they gave Maui an entire song called "You're Welcome".
 

Disneyland68

Active Member
Aloha,
Everyone is to blame.
My son was a CM for six months enrolled in the college program. Entering the program in August of 2022, he was a huge Disney fan and incredibly excited to actually have the privilege to work at WDW, mostly at MK. He completed his program in January, 2023, totally disappointed with WDW management and the “countless rude and arrogant Karens”.
On a daily basis he was verbally abused by the “Karens” and IAW Disney policy, had to stand there and take their yelling , cussing abusive behavior. Mostly because the Karens were trying to enter the parks either without tickets or missing proper credentials or take shortcuts against the directed flow of guests.
On the flip side, he witnessed many CMs who failed to follow procedures, were lazy or failed to exhibit any initiative. And worse yet, their immediate supervisors consistently failed to hold the CMs accountable or take any corrective action.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Just want to say the CMs at Aulani are always fantastic, and the Hilton Head Island CMs should get an award, in spite of that resort kind of being treated like the stepchild of the company. Hilton Head Island CMs could train the rest of the company.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Aloha,
Everyone is to blame.
My son was a CM for six months enrolled in the college program. Entering the program in August of 2022, he was a huge Disney fan and incredibly excited to actually have the privilege to work at WDW, mostly at MK. He completed his program in January, 2023, totally disappointed with WDW management and the “countless rude and arrogant Karens”.
On a daily basis he was verbally abused by the “Karens” and IAW Disney policy, had to stand there and take their yelling , cussing abusive behavior. Mostly because the Karens were trying to enter the parks either without tickets or missing proper credentials or take shortcuts against the directed flow of guests.
On the flip side, he witnessed many CMs who failed to follow procedures, were lazy or failed to exhibit any initiative. And worse yet, their immediate supervisors consistently failed to hold the CMs accountable or take any corrective action.
I love dealing with the CP kids. They bring such enthusiasm to the job. Do they lack experience? Sure, but they're generally a pleasure to deal with.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
This is a generational thing.

"You're welcome" sounds rude to the younger generations.

"No problem" is the same as "you're welcome" but comes off as less rude, I guess because we started using "you're welcome" sarcastically at some point.

The younger generation has hang ups what we did like saying " You're Welcome " I use that on a regular basis. That's hilarious the younger generation feel like they do. 😂
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
This is a generational thing.

"You're welcome" sounds rude to the younger generations.

"No problem" is the same as "you're welcome" but comes off as less rude, I guess because we started using "you're welcome" sarcastically at some point.

Both mean the same thing to me. I’m truly baffled that anyone would interpret a non-sarcastic “You’re welcome” (which is what I tend to say) as rude. Regardless of the words used, people should focus on the intent of what’s being communicated. If someone is saying “No problem” and clearly means “You’re welcome” (and vice versa), there’s no good reason to get upset.
 

donaldtoo

Well-Known Member
I can't read the article but I do know I don't like it as it shows no gratitude and appreciation for the customer
As I said I got old

I must have missed the memo.
When did “You’re welcome.” start being looked upon as being passive-aggressive/rude…?!?!?!

If nothing else, I guess the other option is fine, if you say it like Simone…!!!!! :hilarious:;)

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StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Both mean the same thing to me. I’m truly baffled that anyone would interpret a non-sarcastic “You’re welcome” (which is what I tend to say) as rude. Regardless of the words used, people should focus on the intent of what’s being communicated. If someone is saying “No problem” and clearly means “You’re welcome” (and vice versa), there’s no good reason to get upset.
Yeah, I can't really explain why, but it comes off as passive aggressive. It started with millennials, and Gen Z kind of continued it. I think the best way to explain it is based on Maui's "you're welcome" song; that's basically how we hear it.

But you're right; the intent is what matters. At the end of the day, it's truly NBD. The younger workers are less likely to say "you're welcome", though, because it can be interpreted as rude. Or I'll sometimes say "you're very welcome" or "you're so welcome" to kind of change the connotation. Or swap it with "Of course!" or "Absolutely!"
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
"No problem" = implies "I was not inconvenienced or didn't mind it if I was"

"You're welcome" = implies "you inconvenienced me so you owed me a thank you and I am acknowledging your thank you"

This is how millennials (me) and younger view it.

Similarly, older generations seem to like forced corporate greeting and phrases whereas younger generations view them as insincere (because they are). I addressed this in my long post a few pages back, but this is a major reason why communications with cast members has become a lot more casual.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
"No problem" = implies "I was not inconvenienced or didn't mind it if I was"

"You're welcome" = implies "you inconvenienced me so you owed me a thank you and I am acknowledging your thank you"

This is how millennials (me) and younger view it.

Similarly, older generations seem to like forced corporate greeting and phrases whereas younger generations view them as insincere (because they are). I addressed this in my long post a few pages back, but this is a major reason why communications with cast members has become a lot more casual.
What if someone said "You're welcome" to you and clearly didn't mean it with any snark or sarcasm? I'm sure that's the case the vast majority of times anyway.
 

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