Casey Jr. Being "Reassessed"

bethymouse

Well-Known Member
If there is a fence then it is there for a reason, good or bad. Everyone inside the fence and their parents should have been ejected from the park. Yeah, that may be a little tough, but people like this are why we have lap bars on Splash Mountain now.

-Jeff
Funny how there is no one to keep the safety rules in force!:confused:
You make a great point about the rules on the rides where people would be ejected from the park for not following them!:eek:
 

alissafalco

Well-Known Member
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This is adorable!! They could have have easily made this a ride and have it go around the whole circus section of Fantasyland.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
danlb --

I'd like to think about the ADA requirements for a minute...and would hope someone more knowledgable would chime in if she or he reads this.

Could a playground be built today that includes a slide, jungle gym, swings, merry-go-round (not a carousel, but the big round thing that you spin by pushing it while the kids ride and hold onto metal bars), etc. because kids in wheelchairs can't really play with any of this (and can't reach the handles for the monkey bars or the rings for swinging)?

Does EVERYTHING have to be built so that someone in a wheelchair can use it to? I don't think that the ADA requirements are that stringent.

Looking at the Splash and Spray area in total, I can see kids in wheelchairs being able to enjoy it. They can wheel around and be sprayed by the water. They can be placed inside of Casey's cab by their parents (lifted up and put in there the same way they'd be lifted up onto swings at a playground or lifted up and put onto a merry-go-round to be swung or lifted up and put into a slide). I don't think it's an ADA requirement that something like Casey would need a wheelchair ramp or that the cab would need to be big enough to have a wheelchair roll through. I think that would be a little ridiculous.

The ADA requirements in my understanding are there to ensure the handicapped have access to things like restrooms and the entrances to buildings. I read earlier in the year about the ADA requiring swimming pools to be accessible (and they want every new pool to be built zero depth entry like the pool at Animal Kingdom Lodge and the Nemo pool at Art of Animation). This way people in wheelchairs can roll themselves into the pools if they want and not worry about having to plop over an edge into the water unsafely.

It's not like Casey was built with steep stairs in front of it so that someone in a wheelchair cannot roll up to him.

Ironically enough, adding the little fence around Casey has now made it more difficult for a child in a wheelchair to have the same experience with Casey that a non-wheelchair-confined child can have by just climbing over the fence. Disney actually constructed a barrier that is non-ADA compliant, since it's the wheelchair kids who can't get through but the able-bodied kids can still climb the fence and then do whatever they want with Casey.

There have already been some posts in this thread by EdwardC who has some experience with ADA issues. You can see the first post here and there are a few others following up on that one:

Casey Jr. Being "Reassessed"
 

wilkeliza

Well-Known Member
I don't know how long ago this started, but they now have a CM monitoring the fence to keep kids out. You can see her on the right of this photo:


Untitled by Brian_WDW74, on Flickr

Here's a closer shot:


Untitled by Brian_WDW74, on Flickr

The Rage Cast Member on tumblr posted about this just a few days ago so I think it is a new position. They way they posted about it, it sounds like if the kids don't respond to a verbal warning or their parents don't go and get them they must physically remove the kid thus getting soaked.
 

UberMouse

Active Member
How about installing a kill switch for the CM's. Duh...

"mommy, mommy! Can I get on that choo choo?"

"Sure, just hop over that fence"

What is wrong with people these days? I am only 34 and I think that the majority of the world has lost it's mind. I can't imagine what my thoughts will be 40 years from now...if their is a now, then.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
What is wrong with people these days? I am only 34 and I think that the majority of the world has lost it's mind. I can't imagine what my thoughts will be 40 years from now...if their is a now, then.

I plan on speaking only in a series of grunts like Carl Fredericksen by then. Actually, I think I do that already most of the time.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
How about installing a kill switch for the CM's. Duh...

"mommy, mommy! Can I get on that choo choo?"

"Sure, just hop over that fence"

What is wrong with people these days? I am only 34 and I think that the majority of the world has lost it's mind. I can't imagine what my thoughts will be 40 years from now...if their is a now, then.
Every time I go to the parks or the mall, I'm reminded that parents have no idea how to actually "parent."
 

bubbles1812

Well-Known Member
The Rage Cast Member on tumblr posted about this just a few days ago so I think it is a new position. They way they posted about it, it sounds like if the kids don't respond to a verbal warning or their parents don't go and get them they must physically remove the kid thus getting soaked.

The CM must go get the kids or he/she makes the parents go get the kids? I feel like that could open up a whole new can of worms potentially if the CM has to...sooner or later you'll get a kid saying "mommy, that lady/man grabbed my arm and drug me out" or "mommy, that lady was really mean to me and told me to I couldn't play where I wanted." And then it's sue city for Disney. Not saying its right at all but some parents put there are pretty ridiculous.

Though I guess it could be considered the lesser of two evils...if kids get hurt because they were tying climb over the fence, there's another lawsuit waiting to happen.

So, in conclusion...I do not envy the CM's that position. You just know they are getting yelled at by parents whining that you wouldn't let their kids play, blah blah blah. Sigh...
 

ExtinctJenn

Well-Known Member
Does EVERYTHING have to be built so that someone in a wheelchair can use it to? I don't think that the ADA requirements are that stringent.
No, they don't have to be built entirely to accomodate people in a wheelchair however Disney is smart and wants to make as much as they can accessible to every type of guest. Their intentions aren't 100% pure I'm sure as it means more money in the door, but it does explain why the fence was a very last minute addition.
I don't know how long ago this started, but they now have a CM monitoring the fence to keep kids out.
And just the fact that they've done this tells me that the fence will eventually come down in favor of some sort of alternate solution because you gotta know Disney doesn't want to have to pay someone to stand there all day. :)
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
danlb --

I'd like to think about the ADA requirements for a minute...and would hope someone more knowledgable would chime in if she or he reads this.

Could a playground be built today that includes a slide, jungle gym, swings, merry-go-round (not a carousel, but the big round thing that you spin by pushing it while the kids ride and hold onto metal bars), etc. because kids in wheelchairs can't really play with any of this (and can't reach the handles for the monkey bars or the rings for swinging)?

Does EVERYTHING have to be built so that someone in a wheelchair can use it to? I don't think that the ADA requirements are that stringent.

The requirements can be pretty stringent. Here is a link that was posted earlier in this thread to a section of the ADA pertaining to "play-areas". It basically says that if you build a playground you have to have a certain percentage of accessible play components.

http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAstandards.htm#pgfId-1011276

I am not necessaily saying this applies to Casey Jr, just an example of the type of thing that can be found in the ADA.
 

Vader2112

Well-Known Member
Anyone with half a brain knew this was going to happen:

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Mom helps her daughter squeeze through the fence.
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Big guy caught in the act.
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Three in the cab plus one in the tender.
I noticed a group of four or five Disney managers/engineers closely watching Casey Jr. today and I couldn't help but engage them in a conversation about "the fence."

They told me that they're in the process of "reassessing" Casey Jr.

One was quick to agree with me that the fence was a stupid idea. "I told them it wasn't going to work," he said.

I pointed out that because the kids are climbing over the fence, it's actually far more dangerous than having nothing there at all. They said they're worried about getting complaints from guests about Casey Jr. not being ADA compliant if they remove the fence — that handicapped children will also want to climb aboard the train.

I gave them my solution: 1) Remove the fence; 2) Remove the steps leading up to the cab; 3) Close off access to the cab with either metal or clear plexiglas door panels. Two of them said, "Sounds good. Let's do it." Another one added, "If you come back in a couple of weeks and see that we've done exactly that, you can tell everyone it was your idea."

It will be interesting to see what they end up doing with Casey Jr. At the moment, the fence is an accident waiting to happen.
CONSULTING FEE!!!!!!
 

bubbles1812

Well-Known Member
I wonder if these are the same people that went to the old water park that used lake water????? Witch was deemed unsafe...
Hey now! I assume you are referring to River Country? River Country was awesome IMO. I still miss it and it's sad that Disney is just leaving it there to rot (go search the videos). But I wouldn't be caught dead in the Casey Play Area. Though I recognize it was not made for a near 24 year old girl, haha.
 

mickeysbrother

Well-Known Member
Hey now! I assume you are referring to River Country? River Country was awesome IMO. I still miss it and it's sad that Disney is just leaving it there to rot (go search the videos). But I wouldn't be caught dead in the Casey Play Area. Though I recognize it was not made for a near 24 year old girl, haha.

Yes River country.... All im saying is that everyone seems to be squawking about how safe the water coming out of the Casey Jr. is. Looks much cleaner then the water that was in river country that's why we can not swim in that water and it was shut down. I think that's why it was shut down don't hold me hostage for the latter sentence.
 

bubbles1812

Well-Known Member
Yes River country.... All im saying is that everyone seems to be squawking about how safe the water coming out of the Casey Jr. is. Looks much cleaner then the water that was in river country that's why we can not swim in that water and it was shut down. I think that's why it was shut down don't hold me hostage for the latter sentence.

Sorry, my post was really just in jest. i just really loved River Country when it was still around...and back then I was young enough that I didn't think about the possibilities of deadly/icky stuff in the water. :D I did understand the point you were making and I'm sorry I didn't come across clear on that. You are right, the water is probably cleaner than River Country's was and there are hopefully no amoebas swimming in the water of Casey's, though I think E.coli is definitely a possibility. :eek::confused:o_O I don't really have a problem with Casey's looking at it specifically by itself. For those who want to "swim," more power to them.
 

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