Casey Jr. Being "Reassessed"

Grumpy1973

Active Member
Happy Belated Birthday Bubbles!! And I finally saw Casey Jr for the first time this week, I didnt realize how much water this thing actually put out...I do not remember Donalds Boat putting out this much water...am I wrong? I did not let the kids play as it was after 7PM, but if it was earlier in the day where they would have plenty of time to dry off in the hot sun I would have been right there with them..;)
 

StupidJudy

Active Member
That fence is definitely an accident waiting to happen, especially with kids trying to climb through it. I can say that from experience. I got my head stuck in a fence at MK when I was 3 while trying to chase after a goose :confused:. It may have been 20 years ago but I still get embarrassed thinking about it! Little kids won't see the fence as a barrier; they will see it as something to play on or something to climb through.
 

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
That fence is definitely an accident waiting to happen, especially with kids trying to climb through it. I can say that from experience. I got my head stuck in a fence at MK when I was 3 while trying to chase after a goose :confused:. It may have been 20 years ago but I still get embarrassed thinking about it! Little kids won't see the fence as a barrier; they will see it as something to play on or something to climb through.


Judy --

When my son was about 6 or so, we were at a park near our house. It was a church picnic. About 15 minutes after we got there, I felt like the worst mother in the universe because my son had to be rushed to the emergency room...he had gone to play on the playground equipment and took off running full speed towards this metal monkey bars contraption (not sure how to describe it...but it was shaped like a caterpillar and had different sections to climb on, with railings that are similar to the Casey fence...it was not solid, and was just a series of metal bars that were shaped like the sections of a caterpillar but were all one big piece of green metal bent to form the long shape).

The monkey bar/caterpillar thing had a section that was the perfect height to smack right into my son's top row of teeth when he went running full speed towards this thing. I never got a clear image from him what he was doing, but he was so excited to be there and to play on it that he just kept running and did not stop when he got to the bars and smacked himself right into it.

Knocked out three of his teeth (baby teeth) and had blood all over himself. He looked like the very first shark attack victim in central Ohio. One minute he was fine, and the next blood everywhere like he had been attacked by a sea monster. And the wailing! He cried and cried so loud that some people thought he'd been stabbed or something.

30 years later, people still talk about it.

I am telling you: some kid who is the perfect height to smack his front teeth into that metal railing around Casey is going to knock out 3 or 4 teeth and send blood everywhere as he (and it WILL be a little boy who does this) races uncontrollably towards that fence in excitement.

TDO is run by complete fools if they don't see this fence being more of a problem and invitation to disaster than if there was no fence at all.
 

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
Leave it to Disney's current leading team to push themed queue lines that force itneractivty and then build a water play area that prevents it.

Even though this is an older thread that has not seen much action lately, I really like this comment. I keep a little book near my computer with the best insights into TDO that I can find in forums...and I just wrote down this remark of yours. It's very astute.

I wish I was friends with someone who worked in Imagineering to know the real story, but it really does seem like there is a major disconnect going on...things get approved that are just not practical or realistic and then there seems to be a madcap race to "fix" problems before someone sues over something. I think that fence around Casey was forced into production by the legal department at the last minute...but why didn't the legal department have the chance to give input during the design process so that a better alternative could have been created from the beginning?

Before anything gets constructed or fabricated, two things need to happen:
* legal department needs to have its say so that it never forces things to happen at the last minute like with the Casey fence that's so ugly...have them force changes while plans are still being drawn up, not after construction has finished
* better testing needs to be done on prototypes of attractions so that they break down less when they are actually built. To me, it seems that Imagineers trust the computer models too much and don't anticipate things breaking down as much as they do in real life...they need to really make things 50% stronger than they ever need to be in real life so that a lot of the maintenance issues don't end up happening. I think TDO wants things built cheaply but doesn't understand if you spend a little more upfront building it that you won't spend as much on maintenance going forward. Penny wise, pound foolish is unfortunately how these things seem to go.
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
Casey Jr. Should have been a ride not a water play area. idiots

Well, Casey Jr looks like a great addition and there's nothing wrong with splash areas which are very popular, especially in the midday sun in Florida in summer.

The problem with Casey Jr isn't Casey Jr -- it's the lack of total rides in the FLE. Casey Jr and Storytime with Belle and Pete's Silly Sideshow, etc. are all great complimentary pieces to a significant expansion. But they need to be just that, complimentary, not the focal point themselves. As others have frequently said, the FLE lacks "meat" -- there's a paucity of rides, which is the real draw of any theme park. Doubling Dumbo is great for capacity, but not particularly exciting. The only new rides are Little Mermaid and (eventually) the 7DMT. They really needed to have at least one more ride, if not two, in the entire expansion to really give it more of a draw and make it interesting. I don't even think they needed anything huge or dramatic -- just a dark ride or flat ride would have made a big difference in making it feel like there was something "big" being added to MK.
 

ImagineerDude

Well-Known Member
Well, Casey Jr looks like a great addition and there's nothing wrong with splash areas which are very popular, especially in the midday sun in Florida in summer.

The problem with Casey Jr isn't Casey Jr -- it's the lack of total rides in the FLE. Casey Jr and Storytime with Belle and Pete's Silly Sideshow, etc. are all great complimentary pieces to a significant expansion. But they need to be just that, complimentary, not the focal point themselves. As others have frequently said, the FLE lacks "meat" -- there's a paucity of rides, which is the real draw of any theme park. Doubling Dumbo is great for capacity, but not particularly exciting. The only new rides are Little Mermaid and (eventually) the 7DMT. They really needed to have at least one more ride, if not two, in the entire expansion to really give it more of a draw and make it interesting. I don't even think they needed anything huge or dramatic -- just a dark ride or flat ride would have made a big difference in making it feel like there was something "big" being added to MK.
The purpose of FLE was not to build so called "rides" (attractions). It was built to increase capacity in MK's most popular land, Fantasyland. They're may not be "rides" but I, even without any kids of my own, love all the little attractions and experiences that have been wonderfully detailed. :)
 

Bolt

Well-Known Member
Leave it to Disney's current leading team to push themed queue lines that force itneractivty and then build a water play area that prevents it.

I see no problem with this area - no lines/no waits and come and go as you please and takes up a very small footprint. A lot of guests enjoy having their kids run through this. I also enjoy the night lighting with the string lighting.
 

hpyhnt 1000

Well-Known Member
Any idea if they have reduced the amount of water because its now winter? On Christmas at around 10am, there was barely any water in the play area; basically one monkey and the "leaky" pipe were the only things shooting water. It was certainly nowhere near the water that was there opening month. I'm hoping its a weather thing but part of me is afraid its a maintenance thing.
 

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