News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Quietmouse]

I think their best bet is to not do “Modern Day” because, like the future, it’ll be dated fast. Something like Grizzly Peaks or Bear Country is a good way to go about it

The additions of thrills being a focus for one. Of all the new additions coming they had more thrills coming then they used to.

Mini lands is another, I know it's not just an Epic Universe thing but they copied that from Universal.

 

[EPICOT]

There is no reduction of Americana. A land (technically sub-land) based on Cars is about as American as you can get. There may be many reasons to object to such a land, but accusing it of making the Magic Kingdom less American is self-evidently nonsensical.

"Woke" (a term that few here seem to understand) has become a meaningless catchall for decisions people dislike, invoked even when, as in this instance, it has no obvious bearing on anything. It politicises what needn't be political, and turns what might otherwise be a productive debate into an excuse for ideological venting.

Car culture is a very superficial representation of American ideals (and Cars an even more remote representation of that culture). Liberty Square and Frontierland, at least as originally designed, touch on some of the founding ideas, stories, and mythology of America.

So yes, I do object to the Magic Kingdom becoming less American.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

“Of course, what would be most efficient is to walk 4 feet from the beginning to the end. But that efficiency would negate the entire experience. Experience is not transactional, not a simple cost to service ratio. Sometimes an experience that is superficially inefficient is exactly the experience you want. People who specialize in efficiency often fail to see this, and try to streamline things that should not be streamlined, mistaking the goal for the experience.” - Joe Rohde

 

[Quietmouse]

The additions of thrills being a focus for one. Of all the new additions coming they had more thrills coming then they used to.

Mini lands is another, I know it's not just an Epic Universe thing but they copied that from Universal.

So.

All these new announcements from D23 all feel reactive to Epic Universe. It's like they looked at Epic Universe and see what they are doing, and copied it with the Disney version. They are adding more thrills then they did before, and adding standalone IP lands

I really feel they have lost sight of what made them different. It's so odd for them to be the follower rather than the leader.

Sorry…but…what?

D23 announcements:

Animal kingdom :

Indy replacing dinosaur - I’m guessing same theme with the ride system.

Wooden Carousel - definitely not a thrill ride

Encanto - from what I understand dark ride/boat ride? Not sure what the exact details are, but definitely not a thrill ride.

Zootopia replacing bugs life …

Magic Kingdom - Sounds like a trackless test track from the rumors. Will probably go fast but height restriction probably won’t be any different than cars land in DCA , which is 40 inches - so average height for 4/5 year old ?

Second ride is supposed to be a ride geared more towards kids probably no height restrictions.

Villains Land -????

Maybe an e ticket coaster? Maybe an eticket coaster plus a villains dark ride?

I think things are really murky as far as what’s actually going to be built in villains land at the moment.

So that leaves DHS.

Okay, monster inc land is featuring a coaster. I’m going to throw a wild guess, due to the nature of its theme (more kids oriented) that it’s height restriction will probably 40 inch max - again average height for a 4-5 year old.


All in all, officially 1 coaster was announced and 5 non coasters attractions were announced. But again, even with monster inc. , 40 inch requirement is not I would necessarily call “thrill”.

 

[SCOTLORR]

So for the race rally ride, are we thinking trackless for the ride system? The concept art makes it look that way, but I wonder how trackless would work in a mostly outdoor attraction exposed to the elements.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So for the race rally ride, are we thinking trackless for the ride system? The concept art makes it look that way, but I wonder how trackless would work in a mostly outdoor attraction exposed to the elements.

I wonder if they have another ride system as a backup? Like this trackless thing has to work if they are going to do it.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion that you prefer DL's river. I feel like MK's river does a fine job establishing an atmosphere and it's a shame to lose it. View attachment 810225View attachment 810224View attachment 810226

The photos are wonderful but they also kinda supplement what Stripes means. These views have to be actively sought out by park guests, and usually you’ll be alone (see the second picture) in these views.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

So yes, I do object to the Magic Kingdom becoming less American.

We can always make it more American. We could replace Fantasyland with American folk lore, making sure we get rid of the representations in small world as well. I’d also like to see a purely American Tomorrowland, where Space Mountain is a space race with the USSR and Buzz salutes the American flag. We could even close Shanghai’s Tron to make it an American exclusive.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

The photos are wonderful but they also kinda supplement what Stripes means. These views have to be actively sought out by park guests, and usually you’ll be alone (see the second picture) in these views.

One of the nice things about Disneyland Paris is that the Imagineers designed little spots like that, particularly in Adventureland which has their equivalent of Tom Sawyer Island. For example, there's a little clearing with a 'rock' along the side of the river where you can just sit for a while if you notice it. You could see it as "wasted space" and "under-utilised", but it really does make the park far more pleasant.

One of the things that also still makes World Showcase appealing is that it has smaller little exhibits you might stumble upon that are not crowded and allow for slowing down here and there and discovering things rather than running from queue to queue.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

One of the nice things about Disneyland Paris is that the Imagineers designed little spots like that, particularly in Adventureland which has their equivalent of Tom Sawyer Island. For example, there's a little clearing with a 'rock' along the side of the river where you can just sit for a while if you notice it. You could see it as "wasted space" and "under-utilised", but it really does make the park far more pleasant.

I don’t mind the “under-utilized” spaces, but the discussion has focused on the ambience that the river provides. The issue with MK’s LS/Frontierland is that the entire shoreline is like this. While Paris is balanced, MK is all or nothing.

 

[EPICOT]

We can always make it more American. We could replace Fantasyland with American folk lore, making sure we get rid of the representations in small world as well. I’d also like to see a purely American Tomorrowland, where Space Mountain is a space race with the USSR and Buzz salutes the American flag. We could even close Shanghai’s Tron to make it an American exclusive.

Those are all extremely superficial representations of America, which is exactly the point I was making.

 

[Stripes]

One of the nice things about Disneyland Paris is that the Imagineers designed little spots like that, particularly in Adventureland which has their equivalent of Tom Sawyer Island. For example, there's a little clearing with a 'rock' along the side of the river where you can just sit for a while if you notice it. You could see it as "wasted space" and "under-utilised", but it really does make the park far more pleasant.

To be clear, I also applaud these “little spots“ and their existence does indeed make the parks much more pleasant!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The photos are wonderful but they also kinda supplement what Stripes means. These views have to be actively sought out by park guests, and usually you’ll be alone (see the second picture) in these views.

Actively sought out? It’s a River! How can you miss it. Have you been to MK?

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I don’t mind the “under-utilized” spaces, but the discussion has focused on the ambience that the river provides. The issue with MK’s LS/Frontierland is that the entire shoreline is like this. While Paris is balanced, MK is all or nothing.

I think one relevant point here is that most people would be happy with a balanced solution that perhaps saw TSI disappear but allowed for at least the front part of the ROA to remain rather than it all becoming Carsland 2.0 so as to preserve the theming and ambiance of the area.

The second point I would make is that providing those spaces to slow down does have value in and of itself. Even just stopping and looking at the 'river' for a moment while waiting for your family to go to the bathroom or buy a turkey leg likely improves a person's mood in the midst of a rushed and hot day at MK. One of the things that supposedly distinguishes Imagineering from other theme park designers is that they think about those sorts of things.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If they must - use this plan and do a rock work archway over the path and river and have the cars zip around the island but keep the water mill and wind mill and non-burning cabin lol.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

Actively sought out? It’s a River! How can you miss it. Have you been to MK?

I worked at Pecos Bill for awhile, so I got to dabble in Frontierland pretty often.

I actually like the tiny-loop river idea but also imagine it’d make the Liberty Belle experience poor and might be more trouble than it’s worth.

In general, I think the MK river requires you to actively seek it out.

 

[Dizknee_Phreek]

The photos are wonderful but they also kinda supplement what Stripes means. These views have to be actively sought out by park guests, and usually you’ll be alone (see the second picture) in these views.

I took those photos in Dec 2022, which was the last time I visited MK. Of course I had no idea then that it would likely be the last time I see RoA. Otherwise I would have taken a lot more than those. But I tend to take pics from what I consider interesting perspectives, and often to share on my travel agent business account. So I try to take pics with as few people as possible in them. Just a personal preference. I have pictures from DL's river that have little to no people too. Also, I didn't have to seek very hard to find those spots in MK. We were passing through an area, I saw what I thought would make an interesting pic, and I snapped it. I wasn't actively seeking out the river to take pics of it... because it's right there, easy to see from multiple spots.

 

[celluloid]

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion that you prefer DL's river. I feel like MK's river does a fine job establishing an atmosphere and it's a shame to lose it. View attachment 810225View attachment 810224View attachment 810226

I always felt that MKs looked far more like a river and the different landings and terrain around it have been beautiful.

 

[LittleBuford]

Car culture is a very superficial representation of American ideals (and Cars an even more remote representation of that culture). Liberty Square and Frontierland, at least as originally designed, touch on some of the founding ideas, stories, and mythology of America.

So yes, I do object to the Magic Kingdom becoming less American.

The term used by the poster I was responding to was “Americana”, which to me evokes things like the Sci-Fi Diner rather than the Hall of Presidents. What you’re referring to isn’t so much a loss of Americanness as it is the loss (or at least reduction) of a particular mode of celebratory patriotism. I agree with you that such a process is underway, even if I don’t share your dismay at the shift. Nor do I think that the driving force behind it is self-loathing: one doesn’t have to cite ideological reasons to explain why Disney is filling in the Rivers of America (a decision I personally deplore) or planning to turn the Hall of Presidents into something more lighthearted. These are ultimately business decisions, not the outcome of some anti-American purge.

 

[SirLink]

There was a Frontierland, complete with new attractions.

The three lands were specifically not financed based on ownership. Disney was forced to make up for not properly building out the park.

So your debating facts. The HKDL was announced that it would be Main Street(grant you originally it was supposed to be 1960s theme) and 3 lands. There was never an indication of a Frontierland was in development. The closet that something like a Frontierland was Grizzly Gulch and as stated the way the HKDL and SDL fund the expansions are based on % of ownership.