Oh it's just a little bit of harmless irreverence!
It was intended to be laughed at and NOT taken seriously. ;-)
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It was intended to be laughed at and NOT taken seriously. ;-)
psherman42
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This has broken something inside of me as well. Disney crossed an invisible line with me that I never even knew existed. And I’m honestly shocked by how I feel about it because I’ve never reacted this strongly to an announcement about a closure. I’ve always mostly felt excited for what’s to come even if a part of me was a little said to lose something I loved. With this, I feel no excitement, just sadness, disbelief, and anger. I’ve said it before but I really feel like they’re taking out a piece of MK’s soul, even if to some that may sound dramatic. I see people say over and over how no one goes to TSI or rides the riverboat anyway and for me, a part of the reason they’re frequent skips is because I assumed they’d always be there. I never imagined a day that Disney would decide to drain the river. While I’m sure that’s not the case for all guests, I also can’t imagine that I’m alone.
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Sir_Cliff
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Yes, it's kind of strange to me that they're trying to compete with Universal by becoming more like Universal. It's a little like when they scrapped traditional animation and brought out Chicken Little to compete with Dreamworks. I guess they will still be bigger and more resort like, so that gives them some advantage. Otherwise, it's increasingly becoming down to what IPs interest you the most.
I think they still want it both ways, pushing nostalgia to the fans to keep them on the hook while in reality dismantling the parks as they were originally conceived bit by bit in favour of this new model. I was more sanguine about the new Country Bears than others due to the fact it at least kept them around, but now I feel more like they might as well just stick Woody or Deadpool in there if that's where they're going with all this and stop playing at half-hearted fan service. Perhaps the strangest example of this announced at D23 is the Walt Disney audio animatronic figure. I don't think anyone asked for that, but for some reason they seem to think fans will eat it up and maybe it will stop them noticing all the other things they're doing.
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TrainsOfDisney
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That announcement really bothered me - Walts granddaughter is against it. It was wrong of Josh to say “the family approves” when that is not true.
People can argue what Walt wanted for the parks but we know he wanted a steam train and a steamboat cause he owned them himself!
Jrb1979
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All these new announcements from D23 all feel reactive to Epic Universe. It's like they looked at Epic Universe and see what they are doing, and copied it with the Disney version. They are adding more thrills then they did before, and adding standalone IP lands
I really feel they have lost sight of what made them different. It's so odd for them to be the follower rather than the leader.
I really feel they have lost sight of what made them different. It's so odd for them to be the follower rather than the leader.
Tha Realest
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It is funny to see it’s being spearheaded by Tom Fitzgerald, who has been attesting to authentic the experience will be to Walt’s life and actual words/speeches, since he’s viewed as one of the people partially responsible for conjuring up the quote attributed to Walt: “If you can dream it, you can do it.”
DarkMetroid567
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What do you think Disney copied from Epic, besides the Dark Universe-Villains parallel?
Jrb1979
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The additions of thrills being a focus for one. Of all the new additions coming they had more thrills coming then they used to.
Mini lands is another, I know it's not just an Epic Universe thing but they copied that from Universal.
SCOTLORR
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This is just my opinion, but it feels like Cars is an answer to Mario Kart and Monsters Inc is an answer to How to train your dragon. Definitely open to interpretation though. But like you mentioned, there’s no denying the Dark Universe-Villains parallel.
Stripes
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Of the approximately 20 million guests that visit Magic Kingdom every year, what percentage use the boardwalk? Again, my point is that the river is not well integrated into the park. The only path with a decent view of the river is one that cannot accommodate very much traffic because it’s not very wide, hence why you’ve had to navigate crowds.
At both Disneyland and Magic Kingdom, I was comparing the views from their respective main walkways inside the lands. I genuinely think that‘s a fair comparison when it comes to whether the Rivers of America at each park does a good job of establishing an atmosphere inside their respective lands. Just because there’s a short, or not very wide walkway, inside the land that has a decent view of the river doesn‘t mean the river does a good job of establishing an atmosphere. For most places in Liberty Square or Frontierland, the river feels distant and disconnected from the land, and in my opinion, a replacement could do a much better job of establishing an atmosphere in each land.
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Bleed0range
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Disney have been top dog for so long they’ve become risk adverse whereas Universal is willing to take risks to become top dog.
It’s only a good thing because without Universal they’d probably be doing a lot less and merely mostly maintaining what they’ve got rather than expanding on it much.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Then so it's been odd right (before) Universal Studios Florida debuted!
bwr827
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Cars isn’t the theme, it’s still frontier.
V_L_Raptor
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I think it's the history of not caring that's creating the problem, moreso than a current condition.
I'm not a civil engineer of any stripe, but locally in Tampa I've been involved in some civic activism concerning stormwater controls in some of our neighborhoods. The ponds are inadequate and lack surrounding vegetation for heat control, and the concern is that with climate change, the flooding that crops up all too frequently will continue to worsen.
As far as this relates to Disney... how often have we seen the walkways in Frontierland flood during downpours? How often do CM's have to head out with squeegees to push the water out to drain, because what was already built wasn't up to it? I was chatting about this with a fellow Disney fan yesterday, and that was the first reply he had, without even looking at this thread. If all of this is a product of Disney not keeping up their stormwater management in that area, some very wet chickens may be coming home to roost.
What's worse, the drainage demands on the area may be bound to increase once they pave and build the Villains area. If it's actually going north/northeast of this area, that's going to be a lot more water pouring in than already does. If Disney has neglected upgrading this infrastructure in keeping with possible future demand -- where have we heard that before, damn it all? -- then this may be them trying to fob off their continual negligence as a marvelous new opportunity. (Pretty sure they've done that before, too.)
Not happy to lose ROA or TSI at all, definitely. Again, I'm not an engineer at all. I do, however, suspect that what we've been enjoying all this time has been poorly stewarded by Disney in ways we may not have fully appreciated until now, pretty much like everything else Disney has these days. The wages of negligence are bulldozers and fan fury.
Dizknee_Phreek
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Do you really think 20 million people use every single other walkway in WDW? This is a very strange argument to me. The boardwalk in question wasn't even original to the park. It was added in the mid 90s to help with guest flow. It wasn't meant to be a main walkway. It's also odd to me that you think MK's RoA isn't well integrated into the park because the only way to walk beside it is on a light traffic path? It's not like it's totally inaccessible. There are lots of beautiful views of the river from lots of different areas in FL, LS and TSI. But also keep in mind, DL doesn't have the threat of potential alligators in their river. But if your definition of "well integrated" is that you can walk right along the water's edge, MK's river is far better integrated than AK's.
Stripes
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To me, well-integrated is whether it does a good job of establishing an atmosphere within its respective lands. Considering you can hardly see the river from most places in Frontierland and Liberty Square, and where you can see it, there is often an obstacle in the way making the river feel disconnected, the river is not well-integrated into the lands, IMO. I think DL’s RoA does a much better job of establishing an atmosphere and I think replacing RoA in MK with theming that you can actually see from most places within Frontierland and Liberty Square would similarly do a better job of establishing an atmosphere.
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haveyoumetmark
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You all wear me out so much but you will get over it I guarantee you, see you in 2030 
Sir_Cliff
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But, you see, they have updated the definition to include not just ATVs, but ATVs that are alive, with big eyes and smiles and that talk. Also included in the definition of frontier now are talking race cars and tow trucks, as well as mountains that formed in the shape of car parts. So, you see, the Frontierland you knew and loved isn't really going away!Nothin’ says late frontier 1800’s like ATVs…
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