I would argue they identified a reason they believed makes MK the most visited of the parks, but the failure of all the investment to lure people away means they didn’t correctly identify the real reason guests choose it over the others, despite some highly rated attraction additions based on Disney IP.
These plans, IMO, indicate an intent to Hunger Games the MK, which is in full display at DHS. I have ideas on what impact this will have on MK attendance, and I’m sure you and others will disagree.
I'd add, I actually think Disneyland's ROA may be at it's best in history, currently, despite the shortening. I really think that redone area to hide Galaxy's Edge, that the rail runs across, is stunning. Cascade Peak who?
All of the parks are 1 day. Unless you really need to waste LL on Meet & Greets.The Disney fan crowd may visit 2 days, but the normies that are skipping the rest of WDW, are buying 1-day tickets, and only visiting one day.
When we first started visiting WDW, Epcot was always stated to be a 2-day park. Hardly anyone ever says that anymore. It changed as prices went up, entertainment was eliminated, and changes that were intended to make it more appealing, didn’t work. The same can happen to MK.
Just flew right over your head there, didn't it?no one is ever going to Walt Disney World without going to MK.
Yep, we usually will do 5 just in case we need a "pick-up" day for the rides that were down or we missed LL on the first day.All of the parks are 1 day. Unless you really need to waste LL on Meet & Greets.
This is not a bad thing. I can do Universal and Islands of Adventure together in 1 day. So, WDW is at least a 4 day trip.
100% this. TSI and the riverboat were every bit as repeatable as any other attraction in WDW. Maybe not everyone viewed it as a must do every visit, but that doesn't mean no one did or that the attractions had no value outside of a one time visit. I feel like this is a result of FP/LL and, as you said, timing. MK has the most to do out of any park, but only so much time to do it. I don't know all the in's and out's of the problems vs solutions with all of this. But to say these attractions weren't repeatable or that there was nothing to do on TSI isn't based on facts.The biggest deterrent we find is not a lack of interest, but a lack of time. It takes so much time and energy to do the top 5 things, something else doesn’t make the cut.
A Cars attraction isn’t going to magically give people more time in their day to experience it. It’s going to present people with harder decisions of what to eliminate from their schedule. And then that thing will be on the chopping block, regardless of its quality. And eventually the MK problem of “there are too many attractions” to operate and staff, compared to the other parks, goes away.
Disney’s answer isn’t make DHS more like the MK, enough variety, capacity and options to go around, which is what guests want. It’s make MK more like DHS. Whittle that attraction count down, people homogenize their attraction selections (we’ve seen this with all the FP, LL options and the guides to maximize your choices, don’t waste them!) , more pinch points, more money / time commitments to experience.
Yeah, the “_-day” thing is hard to gauge.All of the parks are 1 day. Unless you really need to waste LL on Meet & Greets.
This is not a bad thing. I can do Universal and Islands of Adventure together in 1 day. So, WDW is at least a 4 day trip.
It will become another overpriced restaurant with hard to get reservations- but it will be marketed to old time fans of THEME parks who like what used to be. Someone like me.I’m guessing the riverboat will end up parked near Tiana - maybe just a set piece, maybe a themed bar, maybe a little stage for Tiana and Louis to wave during up charge nights? Haha
Just flew right over your head there, didn't it?
I'm not disagreeing with this statement, but there is another possible outcome.
Probably not.After reading through this 162-page thread, I've started to reach the acceptance stage, where I begin to think about how in a perfect world they can make this work (note I said perfect world):
Frontierland becomes a logging/mining town, I'm thinking something aesthetically similar to Red Dead Redemption 2's town of Strawberry. There will have to be running water with new buildings across from the current strip, with mills and water wheels that actually turn, along with a large number of props. I don't know how they'll deal with the transition to Tiana's, but if that ride system continues to have issues perhaps it won't last more than a decade (we can dream anyway).
Probably not.Liberty Square will have to be enclosed, with buildings on the current water line abutting a small running stream, akin to small towns in Vermont or New Hampshire. These new buildings could actually be copies of the buildings in the Cape Cod section of Tokyo DisneySea (I know they are waterfront buildings, but colonial New England buildings are nondescript enough to exist both on the coast and inland). The new mountain can rise behind them the same way Mount Prometheus rises above them in Tokyo.
They won't change the parade route. Part of the reason this is going where it is is because they would need to remove all the infrastructure backstage (part of which is the parade storage) if they built out the other way.A big question of mine is the parade route. For this new Frontierland to work the path needs to be narrower and filled with props/scenery/etc. Does the parade route take that new path in front of the Haunted Mansion and then turn south by Big Thunder and then in front of Tiana's to the current parade storage building? Can the floats handle inclines or do they need a flat route? With the difference in elevation between the river bottom and the existing pathways, they can build walkways on the old river bottom that go under a new parade route, finally allowing circulation in the western half of the park during parades.
Guests will not be traveling on the canal.Is the canal where they keep the Electrical Water Pageant floats large enough for the resort launches to travel in? The little bit of the river remaining near Big Thunder could allow for a new dock for the Poly and Grand Floridian. Hell, they can even leave the EWP floats lit up for everyone to see as they go by.
In general I get your point but this is not true.no one is ever going to Walt Disney World without going to MK.
Epcot with rope drop is more of a half day park for me than DAK if I factor in shows and walking trails. Showcase walk only take like 90 minutes if I'm really slowly doing stores.Yeah, the “_-day” thing is hard to gauge.
I can usually finish any theme park I want to in half a day. It is my firm belief that the only true 1-day parks in the world (that I’ve visited) are Disneyland, Tokyo Disneyland, and Europa-Park.
Epcot with rope drop is more of a half day park for me than DAK if I factor in shows and walking trails. Showcase walk only take like 90 minutes if I'm really slowly doing stores.
Nothing takes all day in Orlando unless you truly are doing every single thing possible and you are bad at planning. Even MK
Really?Which is what?
But you don't build for the majority.So wait - your example of the general public being stupid (a sentiment I agree with, 50% of people are, after all, dumber than average) is a cartoon?
But its not about being 'stupid', its about Disney building its parks for the majority.
Next to the paddle boat that is already there?So, why don't they park the Liberty Belle in Lake Buena Vista at Disney Springs and insert an ESPN Bet Sportsbook lounge? Ozark style.
What is happening now. People who don't want to play Hunger Games games go to Europe, or a cruise. They don't go to WDW at all. Not even the MK. Theme park itches by kids when visiting Grandma in FL, get itched by one of the other options that doesn't require Hunger Games games to experience.
All depends on how you experience the parks too. The seas can be 10 minutes of waiting and riding the Nemo ride or it can be 60+ minutes experiencing the aquarium, watching a dolphin presentation, turtle talk, etc.Nothing takes all day in Orlando unless you truly are doing every single thing possible and you are bad at planning. Even MK
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