News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

UNCgolf

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Prior to the current hub, Cinderella Castle having trees help give the park more personality and its own identity. The trees even managed to hide the parade floats that ran across the park during the day and evening hours.
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Even felt more lifelike since the trees located in front of the castle twinkled during the evening hours.
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Old Magic Kingdom really hits different compared to the post-Hub redesign.
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Oh yeah, the park was much better to me when the hub still had trees.
 

Disstevefan1

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Hey, you know what increases capacity even more? Putting Cars on virgin land to the north and keeping RoA/TSI. Why not all of it?

I mean, it's the busiest theme park in the world, why not max out capacity especially when you have the "blessing of size"?
You are 100 percent correct.

Ya know, in the old days, I thought I understood why they replace instead of add attractions. I would think to myself, the more attractions, the more cast needed, the more it costs poor Disney.

Fast forward to today, when we see as a company, the hundreds of millions of dollars waisted overpaying for accusations, money losing movies, the money pit called Disney+ and realizing it’s the theme parks that make the most money for the company, it’s truly perplexing to me why they replacing/retheme in the parks and not ADD TO THE PARKS!!!!

It’s really bad and it’s not going to end till there is not one original attraction remaining.
 

Grantwil93

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Other side of DS. Plus, that's a restaurant and (larger?)
I was curious what the difference was. So I looked on Google earth at both from the same height. Wow, even I didn't really realize the difference.

I think a restaurant is totally out of the question unless you park it and attach a building to it and it becomes a facade, Essentially
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hopemax

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The interesting thing about the MK argument is that EPCOT's most successful period ever was when it was essentially nothing like the MK. It eventually became outdated and attendance declined, but as they've tried to make it a bit more like the MK over the years with IP, it's never really made a huge difference or brought back the popularity it had in the early years, when it was almost equal with MK in attendance.

I think Disney is better off with the parks being distinct from one another -- but they all need enough to do. MK is a multi-day park right now if people want to do everything it offers; EPCOT is the only other park that's potentially in that category and even that feels like a stretch.
Oddly enough, while I am predicting eventual problems for the MK as it becomes more difficult to get the headliners accomplished, while simultaneously losing decompression zones, Epcot is the one likely to be the beneficiary. The, "You don't need to buy Genie/whatever they are calling it now because it isn't necessary at Epcot," will be the motivation for the normies to choose it, if they want to check WDW out. Ticket prices will be cheaper than MK, photo in front of the big ball, solid nighttime entertainment without feeling like a sardine, can still meet Mickey. Can manage to get on most things, in a 'theme park reasonable' period of time, options for those that want the more intense option (Guardians, TT, Soarin) or a less frenetic option (American Adventure, Living with the Land, etc.), with the overlaps of Spaceship Earth, Frozen, Ratatouille.

What would really do it, is when everyone stops telling people, "The MK is the best bang for your buck, for ride variety, LL availability and ease of touring" and pivots to, "My least stressful day was surprisingly Epcot." The most irreplaceable part of MK is probably HM/PotC but given the increasing use of "problematic" regarding those two, by the time all these MK changes are completed, and the stress intensified, younger parents may no longer feel they are missing out. But I don't trust Disney not to gut Epcot even more between now and then.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Id be all for some more fountains, but all that sounds like redoing the infrastructure anyway without solving the crowd flow issues or the issue of resurfacing the riverbed.
The solution would be fill in the back half of ROA - steamboat goes in a small circle around the small island - that also gets enclosed and cut off from the water system if that’s actually a problem.

That also solves the dead end at big thunder issue - which I guess was why they didn’t want to go with beyond big thunder since that would open up a new dead end (why someone couldn’t just say that I don’t know haha).
 

Grantwil93

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Practically speaking, this sounds significantly more expensive to complete and regularly maintain than what Disneyland did to readjust their river, no? And that’s not even factoring in current interest rates for initial construction contracts.
From everything I've heard, not doing any of this and just building the land in the space will be cheaper. I don't know if it should be, but technically this is the cheaper option I think.
 

lazyboy97o

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Id be all for some more fountains, but all that sounds like redoing the infrastructure anyway without solving the crowd flow issues or the issue of resurfacing the riverbed. And throwing random fountains in the RoA between the island and frontierland doesn't exactly seem like a really cohesive option.
The fountains that get tossed into detention ponds don’t have a bunch of infrastructure. That’s the point, not adding fountains. The amount of infrastructure needed to have a pond is not that great.

The locks that connect to the Rivers of America allow the river to be drained, which was last done in 2020. It was regularly drained every few years for work while the Liberty Belle was refurbished. The main purpose of the solid riverbed is hold the track and maintain a consistent shoreline. It’s not a swimming pool where you can notice and patch leaks because you’re paying to keep it full. It has a source of water. It could be dirt bottom liked the canals and lakes to which it is connected.

Draining the lake and popping out the track would also allow for the impossible construction access to the island.
 

UNCgolf

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I’m surprised that Marni’s warning earlier in this thread that we’re not done losing beloved attractions didn’t warrant more conversation…

Hall of Pres? Or are they mad enough to do something to Big Thunder? Or something so crazy we can’t even imagine it yet…

There were rumblings that Liberty Square as a whole is on the way out (minus Haunted Mansion, I assume).
 

Grantwil93

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There were rumblings that Liberty Square as a whole is on the way out (minus Haunted Mansion, I assume).
I've heard they have extra security, that you don't see, at hall of president's. Cause this country hates itself(no matter who you vote for) and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney wants to wash it's hands of the Hall. The show in epcot is better and as of now, less controversial
 

corran horn

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BTMRR and the current riverboat loading building as diagnostic to the concept art, this is a hell of a lot of land. We'll perhaps be able to walk in a line-of-sight from BTMRR to HM.

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hopemax

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I’m surprised that Marni’s warning earlier in this thread that we’re not done losing beloved attractions didn’t warrant more conversation…

Hall of Pres? Or are they mad enough to do something to Big Thunder? Or something so crazy we can’t even imagine it yet…
I think everyone just assumes it is the Liberty Square references, which IMO, is so closely tied to Frontierland due to the River that it doesn't register as something unique to get worked up about. There is angst about LS, in every post about Frontierland, even if left unsaid.
 

Mr. Sullivan

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I keep seeing comments about how MK has the worst FL, but I honestly don't get it. What makes other FLs more special than MK's? I've been to DL and their FL seemed small and didn't have much more (if anything more) to offer than MK's. Of course, now it will with their shooting arcade, riverboat and island still intact (for now). But I felt underwhelmed with their FL compared to WDW's. Ours always felt so open to me and very "western expansion" like.
Disneyland’s Frontierland has a better Big Thunder Mountain, the explorer canoes, the Columbia, Farasmic!, and a lot less dead space.

Tokyo’s is aesthetically much more lush and better laid out. It is the one that is closest to Magic Kingdom’s and therefore ranks lower but it’s use of space is far better.

Paris’ is the best one to me. The most beautiful, the best BTM in the world, an actual live show in the theater, and Phantom Manor.

Hong Kong’s version is very separate thematically but Grizzly Gulch is absolutely beautiful in evert way.

Magic Kingdom has the lowest tier BTM (it’s good but not on the level the rest are), no live entertainment (unless you count the new Bears show I guess), a ton of dead space because it’s bigger than it needs to be, and a really awkward layout.
 

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