thanks! ok so probably not then haha, but ya never know.It’s not that deep
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thanks! ok so probably not then haha, but ya never know.It’s not that deep
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Agreed, the dock and boat should remain. It would not be difficult to move the outdoor queue for HM to create a walkway between it and the remaining portion of the river toward Villain land.Honestly, for me, if they just came out and said that they'd keep the portion of RoA next to Liberty Sq and the CBJ part of Frontierland and had the boat permanently docked, I would be fine. That's it, I just want there to be a water feature where there is supposed to be a riverside.
That's my main concern. I mean, I wouldn't like losing TSI and the actual riverboat ride, but I'd be okay with it much like I'm okay with losing Maelstrom or losing the subs or any number of decisions that I have disagreed with over the years. But removing the water entirely is just IMHO idiotic and indefensible. Mostly because it doesn't even make any sense.
And I guess my thing about it is that is is so shortsighted. Keeping a proper riverside is simple for the area and even would help enhance the visual for Cars by providing some distance.
How? TSI is better than Splash?This is way worse.
Omg lol THAT'S RIGHT . Oh, FloridaLet’s also remember alligators have been spotted in the Rivers of America.
Oh, absolutely, none of us were present for most of the moments we study, but there are massive gaps between different levels of research out there.The “right” version of history is the version of whoever is in control of writing the textbooks for that region, at that moment in time.
The truth is unknown.
Splash doesn't really close specifically because of cold weather (unlike Kali or the water parks), though the lines typically diminish that time of year and they often use that soft period to bring it down for refurb. It has however operated throughout the winter season in the past without going down for rehab. They would switch off the extra soaker jets though.Not to mention Splash closes anyway during some colder months even in Florida.
I would also not favor expanding EPCOT, if that option were even available. The ring setup of World Showcase works pretty solidly though.If the MK is oversized, how do you feel about Epcot? Maybe we should chop off half the park?
Even if the US had the budget like Japan what keeps Japan ruling is how they take pride and care with their food meal decor, boxed convenience merchandise, having a souvenir included etc While the other parks run for Marvel, or IP to rival Universal, Tokyo will make the best next gen Peter Pan advanced ride of your life. This is the way WDW was strong enough to already claim and have but no they choose to respond to whatever Universal pipes down now the 3rd time just because the excuse saying is what people want. Nobody asked Disney and Universal to be the same!Unfortunately, the US usually seems to get either piecemeal approaches or "fragmented wholes" because its vision and financing are different than Tokyo. The US seems to be contending with internal politics between numbers people and artists. The US also has different financial structures and (my guess is) a more assertive stock market to answer to. It’s the confluence of those two factors that I believe enable Tokyo to be more Disney than USA. Why the Fantasy Springs team couldn’t translate its strengths into Frontierland.
The point is the footprint of Epcot is already way larger than Magic Kingdom. I think there are a number of issues at Magic Kingdom, but the park being too big isn’t one of them.I would also not favor expanding EPCOT, if that option were even available. The ring setup of World Showcase works pretty solidly though.
Splash still exists - other than the tiara there is no major change in the overall design that changes the landscape / feel of the area.How? TSI is better than Splash?
If anything Epcot is going to need to do is redo the central hub within 5 years from now and Epcot has room to fill empty abandoned pavilions or pavilion space in between or behind other pavilions.If the MK is oversized, how do you feel about Epcot? Maybe we should chop off half the park?
THERE'S A TRACK?? /sarcasmIt’s not that deep
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The expansions for Epcot are the unused spaces in between the existing countries (there were originally designated expansion pads behind some of these, but that wouldn't have been until much later in the park's life after all the other spaces were used up). About half a dozen or so. There would be no need to extend past the existing "boundary" of the park to use these, and it wouldn't increase the amount of distance a person would be walking (assuming a full lap around the lagoon perimeter).I would also not favor expanding EPCOT, if that option were even available. The ring setup of World Showcase works pretty solidly though.
Exactly. I don't fault guests for not understanding the relationship between their enjoyment of a space, and intentional design of that space by professionals. Whether it be a shopping experience, a restaurant, a workspace, a community space, etc., a lot of work goes into choices like colors, materials, lighting, flora to either energize or calm people through visual cues. Tomorrowland and Fantasyland seemed to have been more energetic, kinetic places which were balanced by slower paced, calmer areas on the western side of the park. It seems like the current trend, not just Disney, is just make everything an assault on all your senses so people pay extra to be given access to a more calming environment or to get through as fast as possible, to move onto the next thing.These people have no common sense. But I don't think thats the driver here. I think it's a factor but I think the driver is underutilized space and missed revenue opportunities. Too much space not turning over a profit. But thats where they are misguided. The ROA is the kind of thing that created the brand and separated Disney from other parks. You may not be able to show that people are spending money on TSI but it's what's bringing them to the park in the first place. Whether they know it or not.
I agree, 100%. I never thought, in my wildest dream, even when TSI removal was brought up years ago, that removing ALL the water was even on the table. I love the water front by Frontierland and the walkways that extend over the water. Why remove that???Honestly, for me, if they just came out and said that they'd keep the portion of RoA next to Liberty Sq and the CBJ part of Frontierland and had the boat permanently docked, I would be fine. That's it, I just want there to be a water feature where there is supposed to be a riverside.
That's my main concern. I mean, I wouldn't like losing TSI and the actual riverboat ride, but I'd be okay with it much like I'm okay with losing Maelstrom or losing the subs or any number of decisions that I have disagreed with over the years. But removing the water entirely is just IMHO idiotic and indefensible. Mostly because it doesn't even make any sense.
And I guess my thing about it is that is is so shortsighted. Keeping a proper riverside is simple for the area and even would help enhance the visual for Cars by providing some distance.
I’m sorry you lost me at comparing TSI to Cinderella Castle. I love the feel of ROA don’t get me wrong, but I’m fine sacrificing it for something new.Splash still exists - other than the tiara there is no major change in the overall design that changes the landscape / feel of the area.
if they destroyed Cinderella castle it would be a silly argument to say “very few guests actually ate there”
It’s not about TSI as an attraction - it’s about the island and riverboat creating the land.
That’s an … interesting take.Magic Kingdom doesn't need to get any bigger.
Eh, I don't agree with this framing; it's one thing for tastes and fashions to evolve and for a company to respond to such trends, it's another for a company to decide "we're going to dictate what works and what doesn't", and it's yet another thing when the execution of their plan to do so is often of questionable quality relative to what was there before.It was a tough day going to the mall and finding the "cool" stores no longer selling styles I was interested in
That day I remember thinking sadly about what that meant about myself and my tastes
I certainly didn't blame the store for moving on without me, make a big show of never shopping there again, or try to blame the lack of items I was interested in on some political nonsense
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