News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[SteamboatJoe]

I agree with this, but it's that way on both sides, which is what makes it almost unbearable. There are people who vilify literally everything and people who praise literally everything.

There's very little nuance or room for logical discussion.

The incredibly aggravating thing is much of what the company does with the parks isn't bad conceptually, it just gets implemented poorly or in the wrong locations.

 

[Kamikaze]

They are for at least a year and then it will go into “rotation” whatever that meabs

Supposedly its going to do something like 5 months Walt, 5 months Abe. They don't want to lock it to the same time of year so they want to be a lopsided schedule (not 6/6 or 3/3/3/3)

I don't really like the idea of a Walt AA, especially in a building he occupied in real life. But I will see the show.

 

[fgmnt]

I think I've iterated through the reasons upthread. Didn't want to fill everyone's feed repeating it.

In lieu of calling them problematic, you can just state the business reality that the company does not think they can tell amy more good stories about turn of the 20th century-or-earlier Americana. With WRE having never been built, you can argue the company saw the writing on the wall since Bush 41 was president!

No one is lining up to rope drop a ride with an Armie Hammer Lone Ranger animatronic or bidding up on ebay for a popcorn bucket of Roseanne Barr as a talking cow. You have a pair of incredible original attractions that drive attendance to the park in the land already.

 

[Scuttle]

Idk, avatar land in animal kingdom is quite beautiful from a theming perspective.

It definitely more so revolves around the budget and what it allows. If Disney is truly allocating as much as they say they are then it could be extremely well done.

Their recent track record, outside of anything Joe Rhode has done, is atrocious.

 

[Kamikaze]

Nobody applies logic on this site it’s always overly emotional on any changes Disney makes.

I always try to be understanding but then the same posters turn the discussion into a politics thread which I’m not here for.

This is not Fox News or CNN but a theme park fan site. I shouldn’t be seeing words like woke or DEI used as justifications to attack a company.

This is how every fandom operates.

 

[J4546]

that whole area is like America Land now with northwest, wild west, northeast and southern areas all around. And being surrounded by Liberty Square to boot! seems like a celebration of our countries many wonderful areas/heritage/histories

 

[Wall-e]

Nobody applies logic on this site it’s always overly emotional on any changes Disney makes.

I always try to be understanding but then the same posters turn the discussion into a politics thread which I’m not here for.

This is not Fox News or CNN but a theme park fan site. I shouldn’t be seeing words like woke or DEI used as justifications to attack a company.

I gave it the 24 hour rule before posting on here and like I said earlier…I wasn’t initially on board but my 11yo son was BEYOND excited and engaged in the conversation of what comes next (with construction, etc) to the point that it caused him to be emotionally invested in this in a positive way. We’ve been fortunate enough that he has been to MK at least 5 times now and his eyes see this as advancement and something his generation will enjoy for years to come with his kids.

 

[aladdin2007]

I never understood the Speedway in Tomorrowland. It was tucked away enough where I could ignore what I thought was misplacement. There’s no way to ignore Cars (with cartoon faces) in Frontierland. It’s so odd, and I can’t think of how even re-naming this land will really work in a real way.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt with the Epcot re-do and their vision for the new sections and in turn their naming. How that turned out, I truly don’t trust that this land re-do will land right.

The artists are being subverted by “spreadsheeters”. The grand spectacle that were each of the parks are being broken down into circus tent shows - the antithesis of what Walt set out for. I felt the spread of this approach was contained to things like Beauty and the Beast being shoe-horned into Grand Floridian or Ratatouille gently folding into France. Things that might interrupt my sensibilities but the whole staying cohesive enough.

But this expansion feels like the walls of un-visioning have finally broke into Magic Kingdom - a continuation of the horrendous new sight lines of the Polynesian tower, the absurdity of the grey box of the Riviera, Incredibles floating through Contemporary.

When we combine the ignorance of aesthetic and place with the gaul of raising prices so high and insulting add ons, well they’re really losing their grip on both fantasy and reality.

They should be listening to core fans. Their intensity of view on these things are what the “common” visitor cannot articulate themselves but are paying for when they visit. When you lose your core, it’s a race to the lowest common denominator. “Core” demographics and growth demographics might not align, however there is an artists’ way to lead that overlap and its up to the business side to follow. Right now, it’s reverse.

agreed but they truly do not want core fans (they are more respected at Disneyland), here they want the clueless tourist who will spend spend spend. And anything with too much Americana now they are afraid it's offending....sad but true.

 

[Kamikaze]

Their recent track record, outside of anything Joe Rhode has done, is atrocious.

There was just a thread a couple of days ago about how overrated Joe Rohde is/was and how he doesn't deserve to be a Disney Legend.

 

[doctornick]

It wasn’t even on my radar, but this legitimately may be my breaking point.

It’s not that they don’t care about classic attractions or originality, this is just heinous.

Honestly, that's kind of what I feel.

After the weekend, I was already braced for TSI to be removed and the RoA to be diminished. I made my peace with it even though I didn't agree. But in my wildest nightmares I would not have expected they to do the plan they came up with because I figured it was exceedingly obvious that they needed to keep a waterfront next to Liberty Sq and the area in front of the CBJ. I mean, shorter river? docked riverboat? bridges to what is currently TSI (even if it was no longer TSI)? Fort gone? Literally I was all set for all of that, though I hoped they'd keep a smaller river and riverboat traffic and the lower TSI with perhaps a different name. I was prepared for stuff I didn't like.

But this is just so much worse than I thought they'd even consider. I just don't even understand how they wouldn't keep the riverside next to areas specifically themed to be next to water. It's not even about guest areas or attraction attendance or anything like that. I'm talking a bout where there is freaking water now and there won't be in the future. Because it's idiotic to mess this up.

 

[Tha Realest]

The loss of the riverboats also means we’re losing the most reliable location for the most recognizable version of Princess Tiana.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I know some on here are pointing to Americana being erased... but as an outsider looking in, nothing screams more Americana to me then National Parks and Cars.

This feels very much in line with a more modern American frontier.

 

[Beacon Joe]

Their recent track record, outside of anything Joe Rhode has done, is atrocious.

Well, there is Lookout Cay. But how it was executed doesn't fall on Rohde's shoulders.

 

[DCLcruiser]

I guess this is more on the subjective side of things, as I am sure some people do feel that way about the relationship between cars and wilderness.

Frontierland was always my favourite land in MK mainly for the calmer atmosphere, and especially the effect at night with the music, dim lighting, water, and trees which added some respite when crowds and temperatures dipped. Adding cars to that equation subtracts from the appeal to me, in the same way that Grizzly Peak would be far less charming to me if there were cars zooming all over the mountain in place of the rapids ride.

I hear you.

 

[danlb_2000]

Way too many of y’all want magic kingdom to stay a museum.

Let the imagineers cook. It could turn out bad or it could turn out really good, but there is way too much serious attachment over certain sections of the theme park.

Walt Disney never built the theme park in hopes that everything would remain the same and be preserved for 100 plus years.

He equally wanted Disney land to show case his own ips, but also to create a park that would continue to build off imagination.

I trust the Imagineers to do the right thing, I do not trust the executive who are holding the purse strings and restricting what Imagineers can do.

 

[mickEblu]

To paraphrase Harold Ramis in Stripes: they're not ignoring it, they're abandoning it.

There's no clear path forward with new attractions based on the original concepts of Frontierland and Liberty Square. They're problematic eras in American history.

Beyond that, the current attractions are not popular, generate no Lightning Lane or merchandise revenue, and provide relatively litle useful capacity.

Given the mandate to put IP everywhere and drive LL revenue, the creative and business cases seem like they're pretty clear.

Cmon Lenny. They didn’t have to go Def Con 5. They could have kept the river in tact from Thunder to Mansion, cut the island in half and docked the boat.

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[spresso81]

I am sorry to call Liberty Square problematic from a political standpoint is "PROBLEMATIC." The Hall of Presidents exists so all presidents regardless of their political party or views are represented to discuss about our collective history as a country. Most countries from around the world have issues but to simply ignore history is simply ignorant or the bad parts will easily come back to haunt us all again.

The Disney difference was that their parks offered items for all families, individuals and guests. You could ride a roller coaster, take a cruise past dolls representing various nations, sit in a mansion full of ghosts or actually learn something while staying cool in the HoP or CoP.

I get their current strategy is to charge more so a cut in attendance is noticeable but not hurting the bottom line. However, Wall Street, social media and people are starting to see trends they do not like. Taking the magic out of Disney World which made it a premium resort for so many years to replace the heart of the parks is starting to burn the company.

 

[Yellow Strap]

The incredibly aggravating thing is much of what the company does with the parks isn't bad conceptually, it just gets implemented poorly or in the wrong locations.

Like shoving a Dino Coaster next to a Harry Potter Land and masking it with a few bushes. Wait...who are we talking about?

 

[basas]

Nobody applies logic on this site it’s always overly emotional on any changes Disney makes.

I always try to be understanding but then the same posters turn the discussion into a politics thread which I’m not here for.

This is not Fox News or CNN but a theme park fan site. I shouldn’t be seeing words like woke or DEI used as justifications to attack a company.

When the shoe fits..?