JD80
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Yes, but even more interesting is the canal back there. How are they going to divert it etc.
Red is the railroad, orange is the canal.
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Yes, but even more interesting is the canal back there. How are they going to divert it etc.
Red is the railroad, orange is the canal.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
If they retain some of the water of RoA, but keep the back part - as opposed to the front portion in front of CBJ and such - that is just bizarre.
I was bracing myself for losing the RoA and not having the boat traffic or island, etc, but this is insane to not keep a waterfront at all.
AidenRodriguez731
Member
I'm gonna be real with ya'll. As a more recent Disney fan and parksgoer. I do not care about ROA at all. Filling it in does not make me think "this is Six Flags now" because thats an insane statement. Six Flags also has rivers with boats in them even! Tom Sawyer Island was kinda cool as a rest area but it was definitely a one and done thing and kinda took you out of whatever you were doing. This adds some nice needed capacity in some prime real estate that was just being taken up by water. I know there are people who care about it and I do understand it's sad but the average parkgoer does not care as much as you probably think they do. A new cars attraction might make someone change their trip to Disney, not a river with a few boats in it.
dav23
Active Member
Honestly even that doesn't bother me nearly as much though I know others may disagree. The things that people love about Epcot are still mostly there and in some places, like the France pavilion, are improved. The Rivers of America is Frontierland and provided an aesthetic and mystery to that half of the park that made it so different from the sensory overload found elsewhere in Magic Kingdom. This will change the fundamental dynamic of MK and what made that half of the park special. I guess we still have it in Disneyland, but this is a very worrying development.
James Alucobond
Well-Known Member
I imagine it'll be converted to a shop or something. The ride path passes behind it, so it doesn't seem to be an entrance. It looks like the entrance to both attractions is along the path that passes to the right of the Liberty Belle's dock. That path seems like it'll ultimately go east to Haunted Mansion, west to Big Thunder, south to Cars, and north to Villains.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately if we have to guess, I'd say it will. Tiana, rise, mickey and Minnie... All have had tons of downtime. Even tron had tons of down time the 2 days we were there. They can't seem to get the technical bugs out before opening.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
I just couldn't disagree more. Especially when there is zero reason to do this - tons of space is available to the north outside the RR berm without touching the RoA.
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
You can't change history by ignoring it, forget the past and it is easy to repeat
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Unless they don’t fill it all in? Which would be smart if possible
But still results in a replacement when capacity is the main thing aggravating customers
Very similar to what happened at studios and Epcot…
Now bobs genius at dak and MK
Mr. Sullivan
Well-Known Member
I really only am upset about this from a perspective of the park just needs some water.
But from a perspective of what the park as a whole needs…I can’t say this isn’t going to be a positive.
The Rivers of America/Tom Sawyer Island appeals only to a certain group of people. I’m not even going to say Disney fans specifically because let’s be honest, this is gonna be the first time a lot of them have had a conversation about this area of the park or paid much attention to it in a long, long time. It’s just lived past the point of being what Magic Kingdom specifically needs.
At Disneyland, it’s a sacred part of the park. At Magic Kingdom, it just kind of is what it is. As much nostalgia as we all have for Magic Kingdom, I think WDW fans really have to start coming to terms with the fact that it’s one of the bottom two castle parks in the world and that it’s Frontierland may genuinely be the worst out of all the parks that have a Frontierland.
That has been true at least my entire life.
It just isn’t a section of the park that gets much love beyond the two anchor attractions there. It was inevitable that one day it was going to disappear for something that interested a larger group of guests.
Yes, even I who think Magic Kingdom needs more attractions like this am sad to see the river and the island go. I have a love for it from a nostalgic point of view. But I really cannot pretend it is not in the overall a better option for the park that’s gonna go a long way, along with Villains, in taking it from one of the worst (honestly sometimes it feels lime THE worst) castle parks Disney ever built with the worst Frontierland on the planet to an area that thrives and a park that stands out for more than just being the busiest one.
But from a perspective of what the park as a whole needs…I can’t say this isn’t going to be a positive.
The Rivers of America/Tom Sawyer Island appeals only to a certain group of people. I’m not even going to say Disney fans specifically because let’s be honest, this is gonna be the first time a lot of them have had a conversation about this area of the park or paid much attention to it in a long, long time. It’s just lived past the point of being what Magic Kingdom specifically needs.
At Disneyland, it’s a sacred part of the park. At Magic Kingdom, it just kind of is what it is. As much nostalgia as we all have for Magic Kingdom, I think WDW fans really have to start coming to terms with the fact that it’s one of the bottom two castle parks in the world and that it’s Frontierland may genuinely be the worst out of all the parks that have a Frontierland.
That has been true at least my entire life.
It just isn’t a section of the park that gets much love beyond the two anchor attractions there. It was inevitable that one day it was going to disappear for something that interested a larger group of guests.
Yes, even I who think Magic Kingdom needs more attractions like this am sad to see the river and the island go. I have a love for it from a nostalgic point of view. But I really cannot pretend it is not in the overall a better option for the park that’s gonna go a long way, along with Villains, in taking it from one of the worst (honestly sometimes it feels lime THE worst) castle parks Disney ever built with the worst Frontierland on the planet to an area that thrives and a park that stands out for more than just being the busiest one.
LuckyOswald
Member
I have to agree. And I’m not someone that has agreed with everything modern Disney has done. But MK needs this BADLY. It’s honestly borderline miserable going to the park these days due to crowd dispersement. It needs more attractions than this even still imo, but this is a good start.
LSLS
Well-Known Member
The quiet part out loud. Shuttering stuff to open other stuff means the hiring of new staff is minimal while they can still say "Come see our new thing." This is more than the literal pennies I was losing my mind over with the fridge/microwave, but I'd place a bet this is the number one reason all these projects always involve closing things.
Disstevefan1
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One thing that is accurate in these AI renderings is how few guests there are in the park 
Squishy
Well-Known Member
Seems like one of the reasons they're rushing to get started so management can get no take backsies once the blowback comes.
lentesta
Premium Member
They're saving that for another expansion.
ctrlaltdel
Well-Known Member
My assumption is that is the hard border. I think with this announcement, I am more convinced that Villains will be almost entirely within the railroad as well (though not 100%). Perhaps the coaster will go under of over it since that needs a lot of space
Not the thread to discuss these two points further but:
- would be kind of wild to see them wind down HoP after potentially having to add a woman to the attraction for the first time ever in 2024-5.
- I'm praying on Speedway's downfall so hard and hoping we can get a water feature out of that.
discos
Well-Known Member
Part of me thinks they could just reroute the train closer to the canal then all the land in front gets used for Villains
lentesta
Premium Member
100% agree. The place for this would be Hall of Presidents (while it's around) and The American Adventure.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I'm a little nervous that major E-ticket attractions are actually going to draw in more new people than they help disperse, making things actually feel net-more-crowded, just literally having "more physical space to put people" will be good.