News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[MickMinn22]

Those are just my guesses I'm not them. Why I'm saying this because Epcot and Frontierland doesn't seem to matter to them and those should be the best kept parts of parks in WDW in my honest opinion

I used to always think of Frontierland as an old west desert. I’m hoping this attraction is more natural Rocky Mountains than fake cartoon cars mountain. If it’s more Rocky Mountain, then the store front in Frontierland still fit the theme in my mind. There are plenty of mountain towns that have that same feel to them (Telluride colorado). Also thematically I would still see it as going from east coast (liberty square) to the American frontier through the Rocky Mountains (new cars attraction) and further west in BTMRR.

Just how I’m thinking about it which in my mind doesn’t seem like the Frontierland theme doesn’t matter.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

I think the thing that leaves me feeling unsettled about all this, outside of losing RoA, is how this was handled. The timing of the announcement about the placement of Cars was a slap in the face to fans. They could have waited a few months to at least give the appearance that it wasn't fully decided before D23. But it very clearly was. They were just too chicken to announce it in person. I don't know. It just felt super shady. We've all known that the company has drastically changed over the past few decades. But they've always appeared to try to pixie dust it with flowery corporate speak. It doesn't seem like they even tried to do that this time. And it feels defeating to me.

They led us to believe that Beyond Big Thunder is everything Beyond Big Thunder. They never ever said in order to build Villains we're going to need to remove something else you all Love just because they want a big walking path for it that Haunted Mansion can't provide because the River.

They pulled a Largest Expansion slogan and everyone screamed and high praised that first time announcement and think the team went yep, they approve while at the same time showing us concept art because looking back Coco and Encanto may been on that art on Rivers of America Ground because in the distance you see Villans in the Back and Big Thunder stands in front.

Now at D23 they made us see the Big Thunder as it's there in the backdrop and the car is racing Beyond Big Thunder because it's Beyond meaning West. But No it's not and maybe it never ever was except someone mentioned Coco I don't know with Cars was to been placed West Beyond Big Thunder. But still they GOT US I SUPPOSE so disgusting.

 

[TheRealSkull]

When you put it that way, how can anyone defend this?!

Nah man they already broke those rules...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Here’s my solution - WDI can mail me a check

If they need the space they can fill in the water by big thunder and close the canal. Or if it makes more sense leave it open the walkway can be a drawbridge allowing access for the Belle.

Personally I’d do the coco boat ride next to mansion and let that tie in frontier, mansion and Villians - it’s the perfect property to do that.

If Cars is a mandated IP for the area then rockwork can help hide mansion facade.

If space is an issue - cars ride could go over the path and water on a bridge and use the island space but ideally that would remain as the original island with the mills.

 

[TP2000]

I honestly don’t know how they would’ve expanded ”Beyond Big Thunder“ by building along the edges of the river without ruining the aesthetic of the Rivers of America anyway. They would’ve needed to craft the sight line in Frontierland (blocking views of the river) to prevent guests from seeing Villains from Frontierland.

They did it wonderfully in Disneyland. With Magic Kingdom's extra acreage, they could do it even better there.

Disneyland went from this, taken from the Hungry Bear Restaurant patio circa 2015....

To this view from the same spot on the Hungry Bear Restaurant patio three years later, in 2018 with Star Wars under construction just beyond the rerouted river and railroad tracks....

 

[TP2000]

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Here’s my solution - WDI can mail me a check

If they need the space they can fill in the water by big thunder and close the canal. Or if it makes more sense leave it open the walkway can be a drawbridge allowing access for the Belle.

Personally I’d do the coco boat ride next to mansion and let that tie in frontier, mansion and Villians - it’s the perfect property to do that.

If Cars is a mandated IP for the area then rockwork can help hide mansion facade.

If space is an issue - cars ride could go over the path and water on a bridge and use the island space but ideally that would remain as the original island with the mills.

Here's my solution I posted over in the Disneyland forum, where we are marveling at the idiocy of this entire concept...

The yellow arrows are major walkways and land access allowing mass migration of people around and through the northern expansion plots for Cars and Villains built on a shortened but plussed up version of the Rivers of America. Adding not just new and fresh show scenes and storylines to the river, but also returning a second Riverboat and a fleet of Keelboats back to the river to get back to around 2,500 riders per hour for that river complex. Because the weather is so miserable in Orlando so much of the year, they can bring back the Keelboats instead of the Canoes like they have at Disneyland.

This would be much like Disneyland did with its own river and railroad in order to build Star Wars Land, plus prep for a future expansion on the 15 acre expansion pad to the north of Fantasyland.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Here's my solution I posted over in the Disneyland forum, where we are marveling at the idiocy of this entire concept...

The yellow arrows are major walkways and land access allowing mass migration of people around and through the northern expansion plots for Cars and Villains built on a shortened but plussed up version of the Rivers of America. Adding not just new and fresh show scenes and storylines to the river, but also returning a second Riverboat and a fleet of Keelboats back to the river to get back to around 2,500 riders per hour for that river complex. Because the weather is so miserable in Orlando so much of the year, they can bring back the Keelboats instead of the Canoes like they have at Disneyland.

This would be much like Disneyland did with its own river and railroad in order to build Star Wars Land, plus prep for a future expansion on the 15 acre expansion pad to the north of Fantasyland.

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This really is the sensible solution. If your incentives are “true expansion” in terms of capacity and overall guest experience regardless of the cost.

But I also think it goes against everything TDO stands for and how the execs in Burbank view the WDW business model, too.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Here's my solution I posted over in the Disneyland forum, where we are marveling at the idiocy of this entire concept...

The yellow arrows are major walkways and land access allowing mass migration of people around and through the northern expansion plots for Cars and Villains built on a shortened but plussed up version of the Rivers of America. Adding not just new and fresh show scenes and storylines to the river, but also returning a second Riverboat and a fleet of Keelboats back to the river to get back to around 2,500 riders per hour for that river complex. Because the weather is so miserable in Orlando so much of the year, they can bring back the Keelboats instead of the Canoes like they have at Disneyland.

This would be much like Disneyland did with its own river and railroad in order to build Star Wars Land, plus prep for a future expansion on the 15 acre expansion pad to the north of Fantasyland.

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Be careful, with such a logical solution, you will have a ton of pixie dusters lining up to explain why that can’t work.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Be careful, with such a logical solution, you will have a ton of pixie dusters lining up to explain why that can’t work.

Well… I’m not a pixie duster but in that drawing the fireworks launch site is within the circle for Villians land.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Here's my solution I posted over in the Disneyland forum, where we are marveling at the idiocy of this entire concept...

The yellow arrows are major walkways and land access allowing mass migration of people around and through the northern expansion plots for Cars and Villains built on a shortened but plussed up version of the Rivers of America. Adding not just new and fresh show scenes and storylines to the river, but also returning a second Riverboat and a fleet of Keelboats back to the river to get back to around 2,500 riders per hour for that river complex. Because the weather is so miserable in Orlando so much of the year, they can bring back the Keelboats instead of the Canoes like they have at Disneyland.

This would be much like Disneyland did with its own river and railroad in order to build Star Wars Land, plus prep for a future expansion on the 15 acre expansion pad to the north of Fantasylan
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Getting to Cars Land from the back of Big Thunder is a pretty cool concept thus you can still access it on and out between that and right before one of the entrances to V. Also having a route to Cars there is smart because that plot just West of Big Thunder was intended anyways for Coco to been there I believe so in the future your connecting another land. This blueprint is how you do it the same as you did Disneyland.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Be careful, with such a logical solution, you will have a ton of pixie dusters lining up to explain why that can’t work.

It can work. The only difference is would they be able to build all the cars land section without having to close the railroad? If they can build and close it prior to starting Villain's which I assume they can then there's basically no questioning why this can't work if all this has to do with closing the railroad later on only when starting Villain's!

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

It can work. The only difference is would they be able to build all the cars land section without having to close the railroad? If they can build and close it prior to starting Villain's which I assume they can then there's basically no questioning why this can't work if all this has to do with closing the railroad later on only when starting Villain's!

Major Tron flashbacks are spawning…

 

[TP2000]

Getting to Cars Land from the back of Big Thunder is a pretty cool concept thus you can still access it on and out between that and right before one of the entrances to V. Also having a route to Cars there is smart because that plot just West of Big Thunder was intended anyways for Coco to been there I believe so in the future your connecting another land. This blueprint is how you do it the same as you did Disneyland.

Yes. It would also make sense thematically using the same teleprompter speech that Josh D'Amaro gave at D23 last weekend, as Cars takes place in the Desert Southwest, near where Magic Kingdom's Monument Valley inspired Big Thunder Mountain is geographically. In fact, at DCA the Cars Land topography is called "Ornament Valley" in honor of Monument Valley, but themed to the hood ornaments cars used to have in the 20th century. Clever!

It should be noted, I jotted up that plan a few days ago in the late morning on my patio, after only one (1) cup of coffee.

It all seemed so obvious to me, as it likely does to many others here who understand how Disney theme parks were supposed to work for their paying guests.

That map was dubbed "The Smart Way To Run A Park". Unfortunately, what Josh D'Amaro and Bruce Vaughn and whomever makes up the dullard brain trust in TDO these days did instead is what I call "The Dumb Way To Run A Park"; and that's removing the River complex and it's key storytelling potential and 2,500+ riders per hour in favor of a 2,000 riders per hour small version of Cars Land with only two rides plopped where a river used to be.

The people making these current decisions are not showmen, and they are bad at hospitality for their paying customers.

The Dumb Way To Run A Park:

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This would be, roughly, the fireworks fallout zone.

Anyone know - is the Indian village the line for the fallout zone on the railroad. Once upon a time trains still ran till park close - the Indian Village to Center Drive overpass would be the fallout zone - just wondering if that was an intentional design.

 

[Quietmouse]

DL river is better. It has more kinetic energy than DW and is utilized in multiple ways that dw never did. From the canoes, to the different type of boats to the night time show, etc.

When people mention kinetic energy for dw roa it’s essentially a boat that goes in circles. DL on the other hand has legit kinetic energy.

That being said, it’s still pretty and scenic to look at but I don’t really agree with the dw roa brought so much kinetic energy. It really didn’t, especially if you compare it to dl.

 

[psherman42]

And there were none that made sense

And you know that how?

 

[danlb_2000]

You have got to be kidding me

If they're going to let the current political climate dictate what they do with an original WDW attraction, they truly are lost. I sincerely hope both @wdwmagic and @lentesta are simply speculating here. I can't believe this is true.

I have little doubt that this is the way current Disney management would think. They don't really care about something being an original attraction.

 

[MrPromey]

Ok. I cant explain physics to you. If you want to believe water is weightless, that we live in zero gravity, that concrete structures last forever, or that their deterioration doesn’t compromise the reason they were built in the first place, go for it

If you want to believe that a college professor with connections to Disney leadership is (wrong? misinformed? deliberately peddling Disney propaganda?) go for it

We have constantly wet man-made retention ponds all over Florida that manage to hold water year-round despite having 100% natural bottoms. Most are not there for decorative purposes. Compacted earth below and saturation limits on the soil tend to prevent the water from draining faster than they're refilled by local drainage and rain, even during "dry" months.

Within WDW there are many large bodies of water all over property that are man-made with diverted water that do not have sealed pool-like bottoms the way you're suggesting ROA works.

You understand that most of the land the Magic Kingom was built on had no problem retaining water before it was developed and that they had to build canals and ditches all over the place to drain the shallow swamp-like land that was already there, right? If I'm not mistaken, that's what Seven Seas lagoon was made from.

I admittedly got the water level of ROA wrong but them pumping water to keep it higher would not, I don't believe change these factors from being true.

Why Doesn't The Water In Lakes Just Evaporate Or Seep Into The Ground?

Water evaporates if kept in the sun for too long, so why doesn't the water in lakes evaporate? Or else, why doesn’t that water seep into the ground? After all, it just sits there, right?

www.scienceabc.com

Why Donât Lakes Just Absorb Into The Ground?

It’s all about permeability.

www.iflscience.com

I don't claim to be an expert in the field but the weight of the water and whatever is floating on top of it, simply isn't the issue you think it is because again, the cement isn't some sort of bowl or tank holding it.

How do you think they've managed to keep the water in the World Showcase lagoon all these years when it has a natural bottom?

What laws of physics do you think they break to manage that?

Anyway, my driving point is, the river is going because Disney has decided they want something else there. This and a number of other arguments are just distractions from that to somehow make it seem like this was something that had to happen and not something that they've purposely decided to do.

You can agree with their choice for the space or not.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Epic Universe is going to break Disney fan brains when it comes to fireworks.

 

[larryz]

I finally penned a letter to make a case for the rivers, at the very least to implore Disney to include a major water feature with the new Cars attractions.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MNZRAMq14D2gaGNVPQTdQklqokwPnUFNTFxbc0f3gMg/edit?usp=sharing

I feel like it may be a bit long, but I tried to condense all the best points I and others have made. If there's anything important anyone thinks I'm missing and should add, let me know!

You left out any mention of the 2 million shares of stock that you control. /s