I think that's a guarantee it won't. I mean, has any land they've built come even remotely close? I can't think of any. Sure it's concept art, but they are pretty good at over promising and under delivering. I'd say Pandora is probably the closest they've come.
They’re on a ride or in line for the ride. They’re fully occupying those two spaces for at least the 60 minute duration of the line; which is a low ball. And we haven’t added those doing the same for the second ride, a potential store, and walkways
By far the closest they’ve gotten in recent years is Pandora and Cars Land - not only did they have 2 of the best imagineers leading those projects (Kevin and Joe) - but more importantly they the films Producers heavily involved - neither producer was scared of Bob Iger and both demanded that the lands be done right and not budget cut.
The point is that the instantaneous capacity of the miniland is totally different from the hourly capacity of its attractions, particularly when you have so many people zooming in and out in 10 minutes with a Lightning Lane. TSI, by contrast, is a pretty captive commitment for a significant chunk of time.
I guess that's a positive way to look at it. But we're probably all going to be old geezers by the time they finally use that stuff now.
“But it was one of the first attractions to let us drive!” “But it’s the perfect transition from Fantasyland to Tomorrowland!” But it’s what Walt wanted for us!” “But it was such a calm retreat from the hustle and bustle of the fast paced rides!” “But why didn’t it go somewhere else!”
I think the worst part is that if the ride system turns out to be the trackless system people have shown in the YouTube videos, this ride is going to move pretty slowly.
The boat is done
The problem with your math is that even with only one riverboat running only twice per hour they can’t even half fill the thing.From your friends over in the Disneyland forum version of this basic conversation, I offer this...
Cocktail Napkin math, just before happy hour (San Diego time) when the napkins and the mind are still crisp...
Hourly Capacity from Google:
Disneyland Rivers of America Hourly Capacity = 2,700 riders per hour
Mark Twain Riverboat = 750 riders per hour (250 per trip, three trips per hour)
Columbia Sailing Ship = 600 riders per hour (200 per trip, three trips per hour)
Canoes = 600 riders per hour (roughly 100 riders per canoe per hour, Disneyland operates 6 canoes on busy days)
Rafts to TSI = 750 riders per hour (roughly 250 riders per raft per hour, and Disneyland can operate 3 rafts on busy days)
Magic Kingdom Rivers of America Hourly Capacity if TDO Was Smart = 2,600 Riders Per Hour
Riverboat I and II = 1500 riders per hour, (250 per trip per boat, six trips per hour operating both boats)
Mike Fink Keelboats = 350 riders per hour (30 riders per trip, twelve trips per hour with three boats operating)
Rafts to TSI = 750 riders per hour (roughly 250 riders per raft per hour, and WDW used to operate up to 3 rafts on busy days)
Cars Land East In 2028 = 2,000 Riders Per Hour
Radiator Springs Racers = 1500 riders per hour
Average C Ticket Spinner = 500 riders per hour?
So instead of rebuilding all the lost ride capacity at WDW's Rivers of America, and plussing up the showmanship along the river that operating attractions would interact with, to get back to 2,500ish riders per hour and then also building a Cars Land East with three new rides beyond Big Thunder Mountain to add in an additional 2,500 riders per hour from Cars Land East....
TDO is bulldozing the Rivers of America, giving up completely on that existing infrastructure and potential for 2,500 riders per hour, and replacing it with two new rides that will get less riders per hour than the Rivers of America did in the 1970's to 1990's.
And we're supposed to pretend that Josh D'Amaro and the existing WDI and TDO executives aren't idiots? These current park execs are not showmen, and they are bad at hospitality for their paying guests. Plain and simple.
It ain’t done till it’s done.
Potential capacity.... that is dramatically underutilized is < fully utilized capacity
If you read the entire post - “and plussing up the showmanship along the river that operating attractions would interact with, to get back to 2,500ish riders per hour”
Exactly what I was saying. I've seen people talking about how much of a waste TSI has been forever. I've also heard people say that they would also fill in the river to put a full on attraction in there. Me personally, I think this attraction will look pretty cool as long as they hide the cars themselves from the HM queue which the concept art clearly shows them doing so. Frontierland was struggling for a while now imo and was the 2nd weakest land for me in the park. I've been on TSI/Riverboat maybe twice. When I heard about this news, there was no part of me that wanted to "rush down" to see it one last time. It's time has been up for years in my opinion, it's simply fixing up an underutilized plot of land with an IP that is poorly represented in this resort and finding a way to make it fit decently.
