James Alucobond
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Spoiler alert, water is not blue/white and opaque despite frequently being illustrated as such. Though, to be fair, Disney apparently also forgot this when planning the Harmonious fountains.
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News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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Disstevefan1
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Made ya look, LOL.
No matter what is said on these boards TWDC will continue to make ridiculous decisions that take WAY TOO LONG to complete. Who knows, maybe they will change their minds 2 or three times on this.
And I will do my part with ridiculous posts
the end result is sadly the same...
TrainsOfDisney
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Doesn’t that mean they have a unique desire to experience them?
Not necessarily ride - they can choose to if they want to. But Disney World is definitely more of an experience than rides anyways - otherwise it would Cedars Six Flags Point of Florida.
CoasterCowboy67
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Not much. The entirety of the area of water is unusable except for those on the 1 riverboat and couple of rafts at a given time. The island’s capacity has to be minimal given the safety hazard of having an island packed full of people. Any theoretical count of how many people you can have physically fit in the island has no practical significance
These areas are a lot more. Queues, especially these starting Day 1, are assumed to be packed to the brim. Add in retail, the rides themselves, the second of which looks to be a flat ride and you’ve got at least 10x more.
If the track crosses over itself, it’s being space efficient not inefficient. We have no idea how many cars there will be or how fast they go. But you don’t need calculus to understand how removing a river and island and replacing it with something even vaguely like the artwork results in far more people using the same square footage
Incomudro
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They also cut some of the features the concept art depicted for the Slinky Dog Coaster.
Parts of the coaster were originally supposed to run through portions of trench.
Frontierland is my favorite area of MK and only pandora is close in all of WDW. Will be excited to see it as it is once more this fall. I have been to WDW just about once every 18 months or so, maybe 20 times over 25 ish years growing up with my family, and have no recollection of ever going on the riverboat or tom sawyers island. As long as sightlines are respected and money is put into the outward facing theming I am very excited for this project. Would I prefer they keep the bottom of RoA, yes I like the ambience. But give me something else pretty to look at that thematically works (doesn't have to be perfect) and I will be happy.
Timing wise, Disney needs to get its act together. If RoA closes early spring next year and this land doesn't open until 2030, then I would be annoyed. Winter 2028 for Frontierland 2.0, with Villians in 2030 (hopefully at the latest), with potential Moana in Adventureland, something in the speedway by 2030-2032 ish and a cleanup of tomorrowland - MK will be in great shape with expansion pads still to the north and west of BTM. I am optimistic about MK and WDW in general and hope this is just the start of a great ten+ years of new attractions.
Timing wise, Disney needs to get its act together. If RoA closes early spring next year and this land doesn't open until 2030, then I would be annoyed. Winter 2028 for Frontierland 2.0, with Villians in 2030 (hopefully at the latest), with potential Moana in Adventureland, something in the speedway by 2030-2032 ish and a cleanup of tomorrowland - MK will be in great shape with expansion pads still to the north and west of BTM. I am optimistic about MK and WDW in general and hope this is just the start of a great ten+ years of new attractions.
James Alucobond
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I still struggle to understand your use of the word “efficient”. The Tomorrowland Speedway crosses over itself but is not a terribly efficient use of the space. The mere presence of elevation changes and crossovers in ride paths has next to zero to do with efficiency.
CoasterCowboy67
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What does this matter? The original claim was that the boat was “free floating” and the riverbed had no weight on it except for the track and the piers. We’ve now accepted that’s not true, good, but now we’re splitting hairs between the entire riverbed and one square foot of it. Sure, one square foot of the riverbed has one square foot worth of volume of water above it. Point being? It’s equally accurate to state the entirety of the riverbed is supporting the entirety of the water above it if you isolate the riverbed as one rigid body in a free body diagram, which is a reasonable assumption. The fact holds that this is an insignificant amount of weight that can absolutely deteriorate the riverbed over time. Saying “well so what let the riverbed break” is willingly ignoring the purpose of putting in the riverbed in the first place. If it isn’t necessary why was it put in?
They’re not saying they can’t fix it. They’re saying it’s not worth fixing to have an empty island, boat, and rafts and dead end to two major attractions, all while making it difficult to access a marquee new land.
CoasterCowboy67
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Space efficiency is relative. Obviously Doctor Doom’s Fearfall is more space efficient than Radiator Springs Racers. I’m just saying that the use of overlapping tracks creates a more space efficienct layout because you are using vertical volume
RSoxNo1
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By all accounts, it looks like the main attraction won't use the Test Track / RSR slot car system. Either on here or on Twitter, I saw a post about a Dynamic attractions ride system that could be utilized for this. The hesitancy would be 4 person vehicles instead of 6, but that's what's depicted in the concept art as well:
dynamicattractions.com
As for the secondary attraction, it looks like it could be a trackless flat ride similar to Rollickin Roadsters, but hopefully closer in execution to a dry Aquatopia.
Dynamic Attractions Unveils New Dark Ride Vehicle That Can Go Anywhere – Dynamic Attractions
dynamicattractions.com
As for the secondary attraction, it looks like it could be a trackless flat ride similar to Rollickin Roadsters, but hopefully closer in execution to a dry Aquatopia.
the_rich
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I really think they are planning for tropical America's in 27, cars in 28, monsters in 29 and villains in 29/30
the_rich
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By all accounts, it looks like the main attraction won't use the Test Track / RSR slot car system. Either on here or on Twitter, I saw a post about a Dynamic attractions ride system that could be utilized for this. The hesitancy would be 4 person vehicles instead of 6, but that's what's depicted in the concept art as well:
Dynamic Attractions Unveils New Dark Ride Vehicle That Can Go Anywhere – Dynamic Attractions
As for the secondary attraction, it looks like it could be a trackless flat ride similar to Rollickin Roadsters, but hopefully closer in execution to a dry Aquatopia.
From what u can see in the art it does look more like aquatopia
Phroobar
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By all accounts, it looks like the main attraction won't use the Test Track / RSR slot car system. Either on here or on Twitter, I saw a post about a Dynamic attractions ride system that could be utilized for this. The hesitancy would be 4 person vehicles instead of 6, but that's what's depicted in the concept art as well:
Dynamic Attractions Unveils New Dark Ride Vehicle That Can Go Anywhere – Dynamic Attractions
As for the secondary attraction, it looks like it could be a trackless flat ride similar to Rollickin Roadsters, but hopefully closer in execution to a dry Aquatopia.
So Radiator Springs Racers without the Racers and not set in Radiator Springs. Instead self driving slow jeeps doing car show demos. For this you lose the ROA.
Exciting!
CoasterCowboy67
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I don’t mean looking at it in a picture. I mean physically examining it and understanding its condition. Nobody here has, yet many are pretty boldly claiming it’s fine nonetheless. I’m only stating it’s reasonably plausible that it’s not fine, and if it wasn’t fine, that it would be an understandable justification not to further invest in a park feature that fails to satisfy many other criteria.
TrainsOfDisney
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The majority of this project will result in small waterways and rockwork taking up the space. It doesn’t suddenly become a guest accessible area.
If water that is used for an attraction is “unusable” rockwork / driving paths for an attraction is also “unusable”
JoeCamel
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By all accounts, it looks like the main attraction won't use the Test Track / RSR slot car system. Either on here or on Twitter, I saw a post about a Dynamic attractions ride system that could be utilized for this. The hesitancy would be 4 person vehicles instead of 6, but that's what's depicted in the concept art as well:
Dynamic Attractions Unveils New Dark Ride Vehicle That Can Go Anywhere – Dynamic Attractions
As for the secondary attraction, it looks like it could be a trackless flat ride similar to Rollickin Roadsters, but hopefully closer in execution to a dry Aquatopia.
Isn't that the ride system that was pitched for a Jurassic World/Park ride years ago?
corran horn
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well, I'm fairly certain there will be a straight walking path between BTMRR and HM in a way that does not exist now.
The Chatbox Ghost
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By all accounts, it looks like the main attraction won't use the Test Track / RSR slot car system. Either on here or on Twitter, I saw a post about a Dynamic attractions ride system that could be utilized for this. The hesitancy would be 4 person vehicles instead of 6, but that's what's depicted in the concept art as well:
Dynamic Attractions Unveils New Dark Ride Vehicle That Can Go Anywhere – Dynamic Attractions
As for the secondary attraction, it looks like it could be a trackless flat ride similar to Rollickin Roadsters, but hopefully closer in execution to a dry Aquatopia.
Man, this is cool but it’s gonna be down so often, especially due to weather. No wonder there’s probably going to be no water around the attraction itself, if the computers glitch they could send the ATVs right into the water!