News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[plutofan15]

Toothpick holders*

Beat me to it.

 

[Wall-e]

Again many are missing the point. It's not the IP that many have an issue. Even I agree that they need new IP in the parks to get the new generation interested. The issue at least for me is going away from what made the Disney Parks different and unique. Each park had its own theme and IP that fit those parks.

IMO of all the new announcements from D23 the only one that fits the park it's going in is the AK one. The parks are slowly becoming an extension of each other.

I see your point but for at least half of the MK’s existence there’s been a Pixar IP presence (Buzz for one) in the park. I understand that perhaps the MK was a more fantastical IP driven park but also wanted to demonstrate that we’ve been outside of that central them for over 25 years now (which is all of my adult Disney experience).

 

[Wall-e]

So to respond to myself, what may or may not fit the theme of any WDW park is not a recent issue and (in the case of the MK) if "non-conforming IP's" have been in the parks for 25 years or more then at some point we have to accept that this has been part of the park's evolution for a significant portion of it's existence.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The analogy works if you consider this a sacrifice of aesthetics and atmosphere for more "efficient" utilization of the area.

Correct - the Central Park analogy is very fitting. Space is definitely an issue in nyc, I’m sure the city needs money - I don’t think income from the Central Park carrousel is doing the job! Haha.

The did not know about the river being removed and both were shocked when I told them about that.

yes - the artwork looks great but so does the artwork for the original Frontierland.

If the current Imagineers are truly stewards of Walt's vision I believe that is what Walt would be happiest about. What joy will this new land bring to the children of tomorrow?

The current imagineers design and build what Bob Iger approves. Walt didn’t want to be an AA and one of his grand-daughters is against it - but the imagineers are doing it anyway. Be careful on turn “what Walt would be happiest about”

 

[KDM31091]

Again many are missing the point. It's not the IP that many have an issue. Even I agree that they need new IP in the parks to get the new generation interested. The issue at least for me is going away from what made the Disney Parks different and unique. Each park had its own theme and IP that fit those parks.

IMO of all the new announcements from D23 the only one that fits the park it's going in is the AK one. The parks are slowly becoming an extension of each other.

Exactly. I’m not fully against IP. I’m against the random hodgepodges that all the parks are slowly melting in to.

 

[SirLink]

HOP is a dusty, dated, creepy attraction that should have left the parks before certain other changes. The Moments with Mr. Lincoln isn't...really my thing, either, but it's vastly more impressive to me and way less creepy than HOP.

Nah not creepy

 

[Wall-e]

The current imagineers design and build what Bob Iger approves. Walt didn’t want to be an AA and one of his grand-daughters is against it - but the imagineers are doing it anyway. Be careful on turn “what Walt would be happiest about”

It seems a lot of people take liberties around these parts when interpreting what Walt would want today. I did not mean to put myself into that category but I thought that making a generalization about his seeming desire to create attractions that mostly cater to children and the joy they bring would be accepted.

 

[Kamikaze]

It seems a lot of people take liberties around these parts when interpreting what Walt would want today. I did not mean to put myself into that category but I thought that making a generalization about his seeming desire to create attractions that mostly cater to children and the joy they bring would be accepted.

Luckily, we'll be able to ask AA Walt what he wants soon.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I thought that making a generalization about his seeming desire to create attractions that mostly cater to children and the joy they bring would be accepted.

“Disneyland will be the essence of America as we know it: the nostalgia of the past with exciting glimpses into the future.” - Walt Disney

I don’t think Walt wanted attractions that mostly cater to children - the only ones that fit that description in the original park would be located in Fantasyland.

But as you say, it gets tricky knowing what Walt would or would not like.

We do know that the Riverboat, Steam Train, and Monorail were the things he personally owned - so it’s pretty clear to me that he would be against removing the riverboat for sure.

 

[Incomudro]

“Disneyland will be the essence of America as we know it: the nostalgia of the past with exciting glimpses into the future.” - Walt Disney

I don’t think Walt wanted attractions that mostly cater to children - the only ones that fit that description in the original park would be located in Fantasyland.

But as you say, it gets tricky knowing what Walt would or would not like.

We do know that the Riverboat, Steam Train, and Monorail were the things he personally owned - so it’s pretty clear to me that he would be against removing the riverboat for sure.

Yeah... I don't always ponder "What would Walt think," but I feel very safe in my belief that if we unfroze his head he would be devastated at the idea of removing that river and boat.

 

[fractal]

There will be air-conditioned spaces among these four rides and associated dining and merch. It will probably make my August MK visits cooler than TSI and the Belle ever have…

It will make the overall park hotter. Trees are a natural way to cool large areas.

 

[James Alucobond]

We do know that the Riverboat, Steam Train, and Monorail were the things he personally owned - so it’s pretty clear to me that he would be against removing the riverboat for sure.

… Because model trains and their ilk were pretty ubiquitously emblematic of childhood toys when Walt grew up, and he liked playing with them on a grand scale. It’s equally difficult to say what a Walt who grew up today would find fascinating given current interests. The connection to childhood has always been there in practically every land, but it’s definitely fair to say that there’s a difference between building specifically for children and building things inspired by childhood on a scale and at a level of detail that can be appreciated into adulthood.

 

[ToTBellHop]

It will make the overall park hotter. Trees are a natural way to cool large areas.

I find MSUSA to be the coolest area of the park with all of the conditioned air flying out into the street. On TSI, I was sweating from areas I didn’t know had sweat glands. But, yes, the pavement in the Cars area will be hot in July.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

They couldn't mean the Speedway, could they? Is that "beloved"?

Radiator Spring's and RSR was better unless they built that out Beyond Big Thunder Beyhind Big Thunder not in Frontierland. Zootopia would ruin the skyline.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The connection to childhood has always been there in practically every land,

Diving into psychology a bit now but not just childhood - the themes of Adventure, Fantasy, interest in the past (History) and curiosity about the future are all part of the human experience.

Now to bring us back to the theme, let’s imagine Cars character Fillmore voiced by George Carlin responding to me “that’s deep man”

 

[sedati]

What kinetics this land will have. Truly a world on the move.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Yeah... I don't always ponder "What would Walt think," but I feel very safe in my belief that if we unfroze his head he would be devastated at the idea of removing that river and boat.

He wouldn't be against Cars and want to add the charm and American aspect of Radiator Spring's beyond Big Thunder behind Big Thunder and use the Ornament Valley as a backdrop as further landscape in order so it matches with Big Thunder yet gives us another place of wonder and excitement together beyond meanwhile letting us continue to enjoy history as well with a timeline of everything that we have that is classic broadening a sense of the young inspired and understanding at the same time from beloved characters but also in real life. His message for the park will never stop changing and evolve time and time again was for Disneyland. WDW isn't short on space and land and he didn't need that there was another Disneyland park here in the first place but they told him there had to be at that time.

 

[Wall-e]

… Because model trains and their ilk were pretty ubiquitously emblematic of childhood toys when Walt grew up, and he liked playing with them on a grand scale. It’s equally difficult to say what a Walt who grew up today would find fascinating given current interests. The connection to childhood has always been there in practically every land, but it’s definitely fair to say that there’s a difference between building specifically for children and building things inspired by childhood on a scale and at a level of detail that can be appreciated into adulthood.

This is a great take on the topic. And while Walt may not have designed rides specifically for children he did design them for the young at heart. Bob Iger approved a project that not only caters to the young at heart but all those with a daring dark side too.

And I am not trying to be callous but if someone truly feels abandoned by Disney's current regime then it is ok to take your dollar elsewhere. There are many natural destinations that fit the mold of what you are losing when the River is removed.

But I am sorry, I just do not share the sentiment that everything in the parks needs to stay exactly as Walt had it. As someone else pointed out, systems become antiquated, costs for maintenance change, priorities change.

And I am honestly asking again, is there another forum established where those who want to talk about what's to come can do so without the conversation of IP's, destroying the park, etc dominating the conversation?

 

[Moth]

What kinetics this land will have. Truly a world on the move.

A World of Motion if you will.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And I am honestly asking again, is there another forum established where those who want to talk about what's to come can do so without the conversation of IP's, destroying the park, etc dominating the conversation?

You would love the approved comments on the Disney Parks Blog

On a serious note - I think there might be a thread talking about the ride system and what it may or may not be. I should probably look at that because I am a theme park geek and everyone is hinting at a “new” ride system.