News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Tha Realest

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Ah yes, we are discovering the difference between a theme park and an amusement park. (No real sarcasm directed at you, just the universe.)
Pretty fascinating that Epic Universe set about a sequence of events that prompted Disney - which pioneered and largely perfected the concept of a theme park - to retreat from thematic consistency while their biggest competition leans more into it than they ever have before.
 

Bocabear

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Honestly the idea of the attraction being Mickey's Off Road Racing in classic cars could be very charming...and placed where the Speedway currently sits...a thematic bridge between Tomorrowland and Fantasyland would be very sweet...Cars characters feel like a natural fir for DHS... perhaps where the Animation Courtyard is would be amazing... Wrong IP for the wrong park again....
 

TomboyJanet

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So...everyone complains that Disney needs to be more like Universal.
They are in the same IP business. Epic U, except for the central coaster, is ALL IPs.

Cars, as a franchise, is still making lots of money for Disney. Carsland is the most popular land in DCA.
The original film made 10 billion in merch sales and they are still releasing new lines of Cars in toy stores.

Guardians is considered the best Marvel Trilogy and a classic. Its not going away.

Star Wars has been around since 1977 and the land can be easily converted to any timeline, which you can see the beginnings of with the Mandalorian added to MF:SR

Disney does a LOT of research and crunches a lot of numbers before choosing the IPs to put in their parks.
The problem for me is Disney generating park specific is is what placed it on a higher plane of existence than universal I see all this as a step backwards
 

Advisable Joseph

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I believe he said somewhere earlier in this thread that they have a plan for the expansion bbt. If they would've put cars and villains there it would've blocked any more expansion in the area.
I found this:

Folks, we still have the originals in Disneyland. We're giving up a seldom-used copy for new(ish), more popular attractions. And we still have the entire north area for "Beyond Big Thunder."

We can argue about whether Cars belongs in Frontierland, and what "Frontierland" means. But on the whole, this is a net positive.

I just couldn't disagree more. Especially when there is zero reason to do this - tons of space is available to the north outside the RR berm without touching the RoA.

They're saving that for another expansion.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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They aren’t ignoring them. They have just deemed it not worth using them in order to save an attraction that no longer attracts.
So I apparently crossed a line myself earlier in this thread so maybe you don’t realize it - but you’re kinda coming across as though you are happy to tell someone like me that what I like about Disney parks is either old fashioned, or boring, or stupid, etc.

To be clear, Tom Sawyer Island as an attraction isn’t particularly interesting to me, I like the views from the River, going inside the mills, and AA’s in the fort haha.

It’s the riverboat and the scenery that Tom Sawyer Island creates that I like.

I would argue that Disneyland proved that if done correctly - they can increase the riverboats popularity by making it a little shorter and adding more elaborate scenery and also honoring the Native Americans. It’s really a win-win-win.
 

spresso81

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It’s interesting that you frame the “moral superiority” of people who aren’t happy with the loss of RoA/TSI as being upset purely because of politics/Walts beliefs or hatred against Imagineers. Most people in this thread and on Twitter have been expressing that they’re majorly upset with the loss of the atmosphere- the “park” part of “theme park”. We don’t hate Imagineers, they are told what to do by corporate, they don’t have a say in what stays or goes. I’ve already talked about why dozens of times. The people screaming “Woke Disney hates America” are a small minority of fans who are just screaming to fuel the culture war. They don’t represent the fandom as a whole, like how the Save Splash crowd don’t represent everyone who liked Splash.

Also you call the parks “slop” at the end there- so you’re agreeing this Cars situation is not great?
Totally agree The Chatbox Ghost.

I think some of the potential political reasoning questions stem from trying to understand the logic beyond TDO trying to fill up as much land as possible in the MK to make more profit.

I will really miss the view from BTM looking over ROA to the castle!

Also, the riverboat was such a gem. Where can you ride a working riverboat even if it went along a rail. So relaxing. I did not go for years and the in 2017 for my parents 50th anniversary we all went on and it was a blast. My wife who never went on before loved it more than anybody.
 

the_rich

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What I’m hearing from Disney twitter insiders is that this land is supposed to look like grizzly peak lite at dca.

With waterfalls, streams and proper foliage this honestly can look just as fitting for frontier land.

Yes , the ip is questionable.- but the general theme seems to be very much a fit for the land.
One of my favorite areas in any stateside park.
 

DisneyRoxMySox

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Clearly not enough. The version of the guardians that’s in Epcot will never be a thing again it was just a moment in time like Back to the future. In 5 years the theme of the attraction will be as dated as Captain EO is now
It’s almost as if general overarching seemed lands (future world, fantasy land, Asia) allows for well sitting IP attractions to go into place and also allow for them to be changed out once the IP’s lose popularity.
Disney theme parks are holistic experiences. They represent the sum of their parts, and are not judged only for a handful of aspects. Everything that engages your senses over the course of your visit contributes to your enjoyment. Not just rides, shows or food, but everything in between that you come into contact with or glance from a distance. Even the things you don't see or are unaware of impact your visit, because they occupy someone else's time and energy.

Disney has spent decades whittling down their theme parks into a set number of activities, based on metrics and averages. They then took that data and built entire theme parks based on it, only to find out they were unsuccessful. Disney has spent billions trying to correct their own mistakes because it turns out theme parks can't be measured merely by the numerical sum of what can be seen. 7.4 attractions in a day is meaningless if the environments they're placed in, the burdens and expenses guests must endure to see them, or operations are all lackluster. Worse still if you're a customer who cannot visit all those 7.4 attractions because of physical limitations or a lack of interest.

Walt Disney Studios Park was a park with nothing but IP. Had more than 7.4 attractions, some of which were good, but it was still the least visited Disney theme park that now Disney is sinking enormous sums of money in to make it more appealing. Some of that money is going into a massive lake, new pavement and landscaping because it turns out, people like when theme parks look like parks. It's what Universal is boasting about when discussing Celestial Park.

Disney fans love the dopamine effect that comes with new attraction announcements, but they often don't realize what goes away until it's too late. This isn't a concern with losing Tom Sawyer Island and the Riverboat specifically, it's about a disregard for operations, attraction variety and placemaking entirely in and effort to maximize marketing. It's the Paul Pressler mindset that wanted to replace attractions with gift shops and killed unique stores in favor of generic Pooh plush and t-shirts, taken to a new extreme. Now whole buildings and lands are being overhauled to be "more Disney", while forgetting what made those spaces "Disney" in the first place.

A low capacity kiddie ride and a noisy thrill attraction are not what this specific acreage of the park needed. Tom Sawyer Island was a place for kids to run around, while still holding appeal to adults much more than subsequent play areas built in Disney's theme parks. The Riverboat was a relaxing ride that did not require reservations to see and was popular with older guests who cannot do more intense rides. Both attractions could also be seen by those not experiencing them which added to the overall ambience of the park. It's possible the new Cars ride will do the same, but again, it's something that's being worked into an area that was built from scratch to have this specific river as a focal point and backdrop. Replacing that and a half century of natural tree growth instead of just building the ride somewhere else is incredibly short sighted, and probably not the best use of resources either.

But maybe the new metric for Disney theme park success isn't a guest seeing 7.4 attractions in a day, it's a goal for 7.4 lightning lane sales per guest. Driven by a management team risk adverse and focused on consumer product sales and streaming data who still don't understand their product, assets or customers. The Magic Kingdom has been the world's most popular theme park for decades because of things like the RoA and everything else created for and around it. It was put there for a reason, and appreciated as a result.

I’m just quoting this so people have a chance to read it again.
 

the_rich

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which international areas do you rate higher?

Main Street in Disneyland will always be my favorite - the trolleys, omnibus, steam train, and live period entertainment is all perfection. I could spend the entire day at Main Street and not get bored.
I haven't been to any international so I can't judge them.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I haven't been to any international so I can't judge them.
Oh I see! I read that wrong. I’ve never actually ridden the thing cause I don’t want to get soaked - but it’s a lovely design. I like walking back at night through grizzly peak when leaving world of color - very quiet and the steam comes up from the water.

If they can recreate that - and muffle the sounds of kachow - they may get the atmosphere partly right.
 

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