News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[peter11435]

Why not?

Seriously?

 

[the_rich]

A waterfall or small pond or puddle is not the same thing as a huge river, I'm sorry. It is not going to add the same atmosphere or vibe or kinetics. Is it better than no water yes, hopefully they follow through and place it in locations that maximize the visibility and kinetics. But, this is a huge loss no matter what.

If they do something similar to grizzly peak at the boundary of the ride and liberty square I think it would be better than roa. That area of dca is amazing in my opinion.

 

[peter11435]

A waterfall or small pond or puddle is not the same thing as a huge river, I'm sorry. It is not going to add the same atmosphere or vibe or kinetics. Is it better than no water yes, hopefully they follow through and place it in locations that maximize the visibility and kinetics. But, this is a huge loss no matter what.

The new area will have its own atmosphere, vibe, and far more kinetics.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

Poll question:

If this ride was not attached to the cars ip, but was rather called “mickeys off road racing”, and the cars were skinned to be old classic looking cars with the same racing wilderness theme would there be less back lash?

Or is this all to do with getting rid of the boat and river ?

Nah, it's definitely about the loss of the RoA/TSI. If they were so adamant on putting Cars into the Magic Kingdom, as weird of a fit as it is, there was literally ample space behind Big Thunder Mountain to put it without sacrificing the soul of that side of the park...

 

[DisneyRoxMySox]

It's not over in the sense of "there's still a chance the rivers may stay in some form" or "it's going to get a lot worse and we're going to lose more iconic attractions"?

My general thought here is that Haunted Mansion gets annexed into Fantasyland and we lose HoP to, something.

I think Liberty Square’s days are numbered. I also think Frontierland gets a name change to Wilderness-land. Think of the synergies with their DVC properties!

The Safari is a wonderfully designed attraction with great care and attention applied to the entire thing. It’s amazing. But if Tow Mater was your tour guide it would be absurd.

I was starting to be OK with the Cars franchise in Frontierland, but your post made me realize I was compromising.

What also really surprises me is were getting so much Cars yet none of it is going to the cars area in AdventureWorld (Paris). I park that desperately needs more and a Cars ride (making that area a proper land and not a retheme of the studio tour) would go such a long way

I think this was a project for DAW originally. Lots of clues point to this. Might actually be a cool attraction in the snow.

I agree, there needs to be a balance. I like that WDW feels more engrossing in the lands, than just ride/ride/ride, like Six Flags.

Ah yes, we are discovering the difference between a theme park and an amusement park. (No real sarcasm directed at you, just the universe.)

 

[KDM31091]

The new area will have its own atmosphere, vibe, and far more kinetics.

But I feel like it will not be calm and relaxing. It will be loud and hectic and crowded. But hey, I'd love to be wrong!

 

[el_super]

Does having attractions based on movies really add that much to the bottom line? Like if that Cars ride opens tomorrow what percentage increase would they see over sales of cars plushies and blu-rays or whatever?

I think a big change worth understanding, that a lot of fans don't want to accept any longer, is the ease and availability of non-IP experiences. In the 1950s, or the 1970s, when the predominant method of travel for families were road trips, going to a place that was equal parts wilderness and fantasy was a novel concept. But today? If you want to see the wilderness you can jump and a plane and fly there. You want to see a steam powered stern-wheeler on the Mississippi? You can do that. Southwest probably has a discount to MSY.

The world is, as Disney predicted, a smaller place now and trying to sell an experience that isn't entirely authentic, when the real experience is so accessible now, just doesn't fly.

That's why Disney leans so heavily on IP now: it's the one type of experience that Disney, and only Disney, can provide.

Same with Star Wars land they tied it so heavily to the sequel trilogy which A) No one was all that crazy about and B)was already OVER by the time the land opened and now they have this land junking up the property that they really don’t know what to do with. It’s telling that the Star Wars hotel was closed and the galaxy’s edge for Paris was quietly cancelled and replaced with lion king.

This comment caught me rather off guard, because after post after post of comments about atmosphere and place making, there is still that basic premise that no, attractions are based on their content and IP over everything else.

Do you know what Imagineering absolutely nailed about Galaxy's Edge? The placemaking. The atmosphere. The quiet corners. The shady respites. Yes it's going to be awhile before the trees grow in but the fundamentals are all there.

And at the end of the day people still trash it because none of that really matters. Shame really.

 

[peter11435]

But I feel like it will not be calm and relaxing. It will be loud and hectic and crowded. But hey, I'd love to be wrong!

The interior portion might be some of those things in places. But the stretch from the Riverboat towards Tiana will not be.

 

[Beacon Joe]

Ah yes, we are discovering the difference between a theme park and an amusement park. (No real sarcasm directed at you, just the universe.)

 

[phillip9698]

There is outrage because there is no need to rip out anything. They could conceivably add the Cars land and Villains land and maintain the ROA/TSI, or at the very most, shrink it a bit. No one loses in that scenario. They constantly boast about the "blessing of size", but we almost always have to give up at least one attraction to get something new.

You are operating under the incorrect assumption that these 2 updates are the only thing planned for that area in the future. The assumption that Cars and Villains are the complete plans would allow one to conceive an alternate plan that keeps TSI/ROA. Disney has not shared the complete plans for that portion of the park.

TSI/ROA isn’t being removed because they can’t figure out a way to make it fit with Cars and Villains. It’s being removed because it doesn’t fit with the overall plan which will be shared TBD.

 

[doctornick]

Poll question:

If this ride was not attached to the cars ip, but was rather called “mickeys off road racing”, and the cars were skinned to be old classic looking cars with the same racing wilderness theme would there be less back lash?

Or is this all to do with getting rid of the boat and river ?

Are they still unnecessarily removing the river and the thematic integrity it provides? Then yes it is still a problem.

I am not a fan of the Cars IP being used in the area, but I do believe the concept art looks nice and will be a good addition. It just needs a river to be between that area and Liberty Sq and the Frontierland town.

 

[Beacon Joe]

Love this video!

That's pretty much my teammates whenever one of my branches is up for code review.

 

[doctornick]

Nah, it's definitely about the loss of the RoA/TSI. If they were so adamant on putting Cars into the Magic Kingdom, as weird of a fit as it is, there was literally ample space behind Big Thunder Mountain to put it without sacrificing the soul of that side of the park...

Also, it would have fit better being only next to BTMRR and a continuation of that design as opposed to Liberty Square and the riverside town part of Frontierland that do not share the same features.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

And at the end of the day people still trash it because none of that really matters. Shame really.

This is it. I don’t really care about the IP vs Original arguments, and I do feel bad for people sad to lose TSI and RoA. What bothers me is the moral superiority this thread has taken — arguments that fans don’t know what they want, that Disney hates the RoA or hates America, that the Imagineers are malicious, that closing a project is a personal offense to Walt or Jim Henson or whomever, or that dedicated fans deserve more say than whatever the general public wants.

And then it turns out, they were wrong. At the end of the day, they’ll eat up the same slop as the general public.

 

[James Alucobond]

It just needs a river to be between that area and Liberty Sq and the Frontierland town.

The concept art at least makes it look like there will be a stream that flows down from Piston Peak and winds around the old boardwalk, possibly emptying out into the river by Thunder Mountain. We’ll see. Hard to tell what’s going on over by the Haunted Mansion, though.

 

[KDM31091]

This is it. I don’t really care about the IP vs Original arguments, and I do feel bad for people sad to lose TSI and RoA. What bothers me is the moral superiority this thread has taken — arguments that fans don’t know what they want, that Disney hates the RoA or hates America, that the Imagineers are malicious, that closing a project is a personal offense to Walt or Jim Henson or whomever, or that dedicated fans deserve more say than whatever the general public wants.

And then it turns out, they were wrong. At the end of the day, they’ll eat up the same slop as the general public.

As a dedicated fan, I find almost all of my time visiting the parks is dedicated to classic attractions. Mansion, Peoplemover, Carousel of Progress, Pirates, Jungle Cruise, etc in MK; Spaceship Earth, Living with the Land, Figment in Epcot, etc.Rarely am I stampeding to the latest IP attraction.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It’s like Journey of Water all over again with people telling themselves what they want it to be when Disney has already indicated otherwise.

 

[Captain Neo]

So...everyone complains that Disney needs to be more like Universal.
They are in the same IP business. Epic U, except for the central coaster, is ALL IPs.

Cars, as a franchise, is still making lots of money for Disney. Carsland is the most popular land in DCA.
The original film made 10 billion in merch sales and they are still releasing new lines of Cars in toy stores.

Guardians is considered the best Marvel Trilogy and a classic. Its not going away.

Star Wars has been around since 1977 and the land can be easily converted to any timeline, which you can see the beginnings of with the Mandalorian added to MF:SR

Disney does a LOT of research and crunches a lot of numbers before choosing the IPs to put in their parks.

Clearly not enough. The version of the guardians that’s in Epcot will never be a thing again it was just a moment in time like Back to the future. In 5 years the theme of the attraction will be as dated as Captain EO is now

And you completely misunderstood what I wrote about Star Wars.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

You are operating under the incorrect assumption that these 2 updates are the only thing planned for that area in the future. The assumption that Cars and Villains are the complete plans would allow one to conceive an alternate plan that keeps TSI/ROA. Disney has not shared the complete plans for that portion of the park.

TSI/ROA isn’t being removed because they can’t figure out a way to make it fit with Cars and Villains. It’s being removed because it doesn’t fit with the overall plan which will be shared TBD.

Is this based on insider info, or just inferences based on what we know?

 

[larryz]

Idk if anyone is saying it yet but they are Literally Paving Paradise