well…you have no idea what a highlight or a lowlight is for the MCU since you watch none of itMs. Marvel is the "highlight of the current phase of the MCU"?!? If so, yikes! Things are looking even worse for Marvel than I thought.
The "highlight" that had a TV show that had the lowest ratings ever for an MCU show on Disney+, and owasn't picked up for a second season? And the "highlight" that starred in a movie that bombed even worse than her TV show, lost over $200 Million for the studio, and got beat handily by a mediocre movie like Aquaman?
That's the "highlight" for Marvel right now? I'd hate to see the lowlight.
Ms. Marvel Suffers Poor Viewership vs. Other MCU Disney+ Shows
Ms. Marvel premiere drew one of the lowest audience totals out of all the Disney+ MCU projects.thedirect.com
Ms. Marvel's Viewership the Lowest of Any MCU Disney+ Series
Ms. Marvel has been a relative hit amongst critics, but ratings for the series are the lowest amongst any Marvel series on the streaming platform.www.comingsoon.net
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Captain Marvel 2: "The Marvels" -- Nov 10, 2023 Theatrical Release
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Phroobar
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Some people have taste.
TP2000
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No, superheroes have never really been my scene. But low TV ratings and disastrous box office data speak loud and clear.
If Ms. Marvel is the "highlight" for Marvel right now, what on earth could be the lowlight?
MarvelCharacterNerd
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When you cherry-pick data and draw conclusions from that, you can certainly make out how poorly Ms. Marvel did -- from a certain point of view.Ms. Marvel Suffers Poor Viewership vs. Other MCU Disney+ Shows
Ms. Marvel premiere drew one of the lowest audience totals out of all the Disney+ MCU projects.Ms. Marvel's Viewership the Lowest of Any MCU Disney+ Series
Ms. Marvel has been a relative hit amongst critics, but ratings for the series are the lowest amongst any Marvel series on the streaming platform.
But we've seen you do this before: Namely, take a property you want to score points against, and then find another property that did better, and then point out how the property you want to demean didn't do as well as your cherry-picked property you want to compare it to.
Does that work in reverse? If Moon Knight did better than Ms. Marvel, are you willing to go around and hype how well Moon Knight did?
That fact that Ms. Marvel wound up in Nielsen's Top Ten while it aired is good enough to point out how popular it was. You don't beat out dozens of other shows for the Top Ten spots and wind up a huge disappointment.
That's like saying how you're disappointed in the Silver Medalist because they didn't win the gold. Boy, are those Silver Medalists such losers!!
Phroobar
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How many weeks did it stay in the top ten? The entire run?
Considering the show and the terrible movie, I really don't think there will be a season 2.
Some people have different opinions….but your opinion is in the minority as far as Ms Marvel is concerned…even those critics that hated The Marvels praised Iman’s performance
Tony the Tigger
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It’s not a terrible movie; it’s just not a bro-flick. Some guys can’t handle that.
Sorry,,, but I don’t hold your criticisms on any film with any merit… as you said you only watch one film a year… I watch most everything as my favorite film genre is the good film genre… sure The Marvels is not a top 10 film of the year or anything, but it was still a fun time at the movies
As far as Ms Marvel is concerned most people that watched the series rate the show as one of the better Disney + shows… without getting political I will say the biggest issues is some YouTubers have a bigger influence than I originally thought which is unfortunate
Disstevefan1
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This is not a bad movie. None of the movies Disney are bad, it’s just lately they lose money because there is no control of the budgets and they cost more to make and market than they will bring in at the box office.
There is even a possibility that over many, many, years these very expensive movies may break even or make some money with possible digital purchase, physical media and merch, but it will take years.
TWDC seems happy with the way it’s going and they are going to continue on this path.
There is even a possibility that over many, many, years these very expensive movies may break even or make some money with possible digital purchase, physical media and merch, but it will take years.
TWDC seems happy with the way it’s going and they are going to continue on this path.
Tha Realest
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Disney knows exactly how many viewers those shows received. Iger has also said they are going to focus more on quality in the MCU going forward. If it was as popular as those viewership records purportedly demonstrate, and those critical views are accurate, we should see a Ms. Marvel S2 announcement soon?
In the meantime, some here have lauded this actress’s talent. What is her next project so we can see how she does outside the MCU?
erasure fan1
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I think you are giving a few loud mouth people on the internet way too much credit. Iman, by most peoples opinion, was the best part of the show. But it failed to reach an audience. And that wasn't because of some YouTube vloggers. If you need to blame someone, shouldn't you be blaming Disney? Marketing is designed to get people interested in the product. Obviously they failed. So if the show was as good as you say, a better marketing campaign should have gotten more eyes on the show, no?
I completely agree with the budgets. It is 100% something they need to get in check. As far as no bad movies. Obviously it's all subjective. I would say not every movie is bad to everyone. I like my fair share of films that the vast majority of people say are bad. But when a movie falls as hard as the marvels did, it's hard to say anything except it wasn't very good. Was it just not very good, or not very good for a mcu film? That's subjective.
Disney Irish
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Just an FYI, from the Nielsen top 10 charts of the reported minutes watched, Ms Marvel had ~900M minutes watched. That is just the numbers of when it went into the top 10, I would be confident in saying that it probably went over 1B minutes watch over the course of its run. Maybe @MisterPenguin or someone else might be able to find some info on total minutes watched.
Now everyone can judge for themselves if that number is good. But to say it didn't reach an audience is just not true.
Now everyone can judge for themselves if that number is good. But to say it didn't reach an audience is just not true.
Phroobar
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So you say.
It is more than a couple of YouTubers… the ranting against Disney being inclusive is one of the biggest grifts on YouTube… people love drama… as those tend to get a ton more subscribers and views than a more balanced reviewer
Also as Irish and Penguin said Ms. Marvel still found an audience… you know how many Tv series are released each week that would love to reach the top 10 even for 1 week…but people want to run with the narrative that no one watched it
That's about right.
Also right about continuing minutes even when not in the the top ten.
Casper Gutman
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Man, the personal animosity and snark on these boards towards young minority actresses is SO WEIRD. We certainly wouldn’t want to recognize any patterns, however.
If Disney is focusing on quality, Ms Marvel is the model - it had the best directing and, along with Loki, the best writing of any D+ series.
By the way, Vellani’s charisma and skill has been nearly universally praised by critics. That’s not disputable, no matter how much it hurts your feelings. The fact that there aren’t many roles available for Pakistani teens who don’t look like supermodels isn’t a dig on Vellani…
Tha Realest
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great. When’s season 2?
erasure fan1
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Yes there are TONS of click bait YouTubers. And a lot of them love to dog on Disney. I just don't believe they have as big of an influence as some here want to claim. There's a few that reach a sizable audience. But most of their fans agree with them anyway, so you weren't going to get those eyes either way. Just look at when tons of vloggers tried to destroy "that wizard game" because of JK Rowling. I couldn't go on YouTube, Twitter, most media sites without them trashing the game and telling people not to play it. Even going as far as to creating a black list of influencers who played so they could cancel them. Guess what happened? It was the best selling game of the year because it was a quality game in a series that has tons of fans. Point being, media that the vast majority of people like, will rarely fail because of some online blowhards.
Of course it did and of course people watched it. But it would seem that the audience it found, wasn't enough to get it past the lowest watched MCU show. Or help the marvels not be the lowest MCU film ever. Prince of Persia made 340mil at the box office so it found an audience. But I'm not going to pretend that it was popular and worth them continuing, even though I really liked it. If the show is some underrated gem, again, I say that's on Disney that it didn't perform up to the other shows. That's a marketing problem, not an influencer problem.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Don’t ask such sexist questions unless you want to be reported.