Captain Marvel 2: "The Marvels" -- Nov 10, 2023 Theatrical Release

[Phroobar]

Also she was involved with the Toronto film circuit prior to even joining the MCU. So she already had connections in the industry from that.

Can you prove that? Not one of her interviews talks about that. What was her grade in drama class? Is that really enough to star in a major motion picture? I had drama in high school too. Got an A. It really isn't that hard. Can I be the next Iron Man? I work cheap.

Yet she was perfectly cast and just about everyone unanimously agrees she is the highlight of the current phase of the MCU… so trying to figure out what the issue is

I could pick any high school drama geek and she will do just as well. Everyone acts like she is the next big A-list celeb. I'd credit the dialog coach and well written lines.

 

[Disney Irish]

Can you prove that? Not one of her interviews talks about that. What was her grade in drama class? Is that really enough to star in a major motion picture? I had drama in high school too. Got an A. It really isn't that hard. Can I be the next Iron Man? I work cheap.

Yep, here's a link where she was on one of the committees for the film festival prior to being cast as Ms Marvel -

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/how-these-gta-teens-helped-shape-the-lineup-at-this-year-s-tiff-1.5265680

Were you this critical of Emma Watson or any of the other Potter kids that never acted before starring in the Potter films?

I could pick any high school drama geek and she will do just as well. Everyone acts like she is the next big A-list celeb. I'd credit the dialog coach and well written lines.

No one is saying that she is the next A-list celebrity, but her performance in both the Ms Marvel and in Marvels have been acclaimed by both critics and fans. And if she doesn't do anything ever again it still doesn't take anything away from her performance.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I'd say that had to do with the writing and not the actress. They could have cast someone standing in line for Space Mountain and gotten the same result. A proper dialog coach can do wonders. I'll know the entire thing is rigged if she receives an Oscar.

This may be the first time I’ve ever seen anyone talk about the writing on she-hulk in a positive way. I thought it was perhaps the worst written series I’ve ever watched, and I still finished it because I enjoyed Tatiana so much, often cringing from the horribly written scenes the writers put her in.

 

[Tiggerish]

Seems like someone's never heard the story of how golden age film star Lana Turner was discovered.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Her IMDB shows only the Marvels and Ms. Marvel. She has no acting experience. Iman said: "My aunt forwarded me a WhatsApp of the casting call. I sent in a very academic resumé and the only head shot I had. I sent in my self-tape at 3am and then the next day I get a call, 'Do you have a lawyer? We want to fly you to LA' and I was like, 'I have a math test but we'll figure this out'."

So if you make animated videos of action figures and have a poster on the wall, your an actress in Disney's eyes.

I love that girl.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Seems like someone's never heard the story of how golden age film star Lana Turner was discovered.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Seems like someone's never heard the story of how golden age film star Lana Turner was discovered.

Or even just Star Lord.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I think the actress was fine. I just think the whole "super hero thing, but someone acts like a normal/casual person" joke is played out and that was a lot of her role.

This is the ENTIRE POINT OF MARVEL. This is the single innovation that made Stan Lee famous.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Honestly I'm not sure your angle here. You aren't even arguing she wasn't great in the role, just complaining about how she got it (for reasons I don't totally get). She most likely was very cheap, but we talk all the time about needing to spend less on these things, so I don't think that can be a major complaint. It's also not like she's the first ever actor to land a role without a lot of other credits. There are some pretty elite actors who were randomly cast from walking around the streets. Not to mention, there are plenty of actors with lots of credits who are pretty terrible in their roles.

I think the “angle” is pretty clear.

 

[Disney Irish]

This is the ENTIRE POINT OF MARVEL. This is the single innovation that made Stan Lee famous.

Not just Marvel, but the entire superhero genre. The alter ego "normal person/secret identity" is the concept on which the entire industry is built going back almost 90 years. The poster might as well just say they don't want to see superhero movies anymore, which is fine. But to say the "joke is played out" is to not understand the genre and is a bad take.

 

[LSLS]

Can you prove that? Not one of her interviews talks about that. What was her grade in drama class? Is that really enough to star in a major motion picture? I had drama in high school too. Got an A. It really isn't that hard. Can I be the next Iron Man? I work cheap.


I could pick any high school drama geek and she will do just as well. Everyone acts like she is the next big A-list celeb. I'd credit the dialog coach and well written lines.

So your opinion is the actor doesn't matter because a well written movie/series (and wow calling the Marvels well written) and dialog coach can make any random person look great? So why are you upset they didn't use a well known actor then? Seems any scrub off the street would do just fine in your eyes, so why in the world would they even consider bringing back RDJ or Evans?

Also, I've seen no indication you have ever seen this movie or the show. Have you seen either or both?

 

[WorldExplorer]

Not just Marvel, but the entire superhero genre. The alter ego "normal person/secret identity" is the concept on which the entire industry is built going back almost 90 years. The poster might as well just say they don't want to see superhero movies anymore, which is fine. But to say the "joke is played out" is to not understand the genre and is a bad take.

I said a specific type of joke is done a lot (but can still be funny with some effort) and you somehow managed to twist that over to "I don't like anything involving the concept of a secret identity".

There are different ways to explore things and different ways to make jokes about them. There are different tones to jokes.

Sky High is not the same as Captain America, and Ms. Marvel felt way more Sky High than anything else I've seen in this franchise so far.

 

[Disney Irish]

I said a specific type of joke is done a lot (but can still be funny with some effort) and you somehow managed to twist that over to "I don't like anything involving the concept of a secret identity".

There are different ways to explore things and different ways to make jokes about them. There are different tones to jokes.

Sky High is not the same as Captain America, and Ms. Marvel felt way more Sky High than anything else I've seen in this franchise so far.

Except what you're calling a "joke" is the whole concept in which the genre is built going back almost 90 years. And again its not limited to just Marvel, name any other superhero story with an secret identity and they all have this "joke" as you call it of the superhero that has a "normal person" secret identity. And most if not all yes poke fun at it in order to give the audience a chuckle because we're "in on it". Like the "joke" that all Superman has to do is to put on glasses and he isn't recognized especially by the woman that loves him.

The only thing that Ms Marvel had in common with Sky High (and I like Sky High) is the fact that both are lighthearted stories that deals with kids with super powers. Sky High was a parody of the superhero genre, which Ms Marvel was not.

Anyways, no one is saying you have to like it. But as I said if you are tired of the "joke" then yeah you might as well just say you don't want to see superhero movies anymore. As the "joke" isn't going to go away and will continue to be used for laughs at times.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I said a specific type of joke is done a lot (but can still be funny with some effort) and you somehow managed to twist that over to "I don't like anything involving the concept of a secret identity".

There are different ways to explore things and different ways to make jokes about them. There are different tones to jokes.

Sky High is not the same as Captain America, and Ms. Marvel felt way more Sky High than anything else I've seen in this franchise so far.

Ms Marvel had more realistic interpersonal interactions than most of the rest of the MCU. Reactions comparing it to a Disney Channel kids show reek of middle-aged dudes who want to be assured they aren’t into kiddy stuff.

And yes, the “superheroes as recognizable humans” trope has come to dominate the genre but it is very specifically a Marvel innovation. As I’m sure most of us know, in 1961 Lee introduced the concept in Fantastic Four, and it turned a bottom-dwelling publisher into a major cultural force that DC struggled to imitate. Before that, supers had been man-gods who spoke the stilted dialogue of Republic serial heroes and were largely not relatable to the reader.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ms Marvel had more realistic interpersonal interactions than most of the rest of the MCU. Reactions comparing it to a Disney Channel kids show reek of middle-aged dudes who want to be assured they aren’t into kiddy stuff.

And yes, the “superheroes as recognizable humans” trope has come to dominate the genre but it is very specifically a Marvel innovation. As I’m sure most of us know, in 1961 Lee introduced the concept in Fantastic Four, and it turned a bottom-dwelling publisher into a major cultural force that DC struggled to imitate. Before that, supers had been man-gods who spoke the stilted dialogue of Republic serial heroes and were largely not relatable to the reader.

While Stan made it popular but he didn't create concept, it was used by publishers for several decades prior to Stan using it in 1961.

 

[Casper Gutman]

While Stan made it popular but he didn't create concept, it was used by publishers for several decades prior to Stan using it in 1961.

It… really wasn’t. This is very well established history. If you read pre-1961 superhero comics, the change in narrative and characterization is very clear, and after that date you can see DC scrambling (sometimes comically) to keep up. The grumbling Thing, the “old Parker luck”… it’s what catapulted Marvel to success.

Everything else aside, I’m not sure how an incredibly low-selling publisher on the brink of cancelling its superhero line “popularized” something if it was already in wide-spread use by a much more successful rival.

 

[Disney Irish]

It… really wasn’t. This is very well established history. If you read pre-1961 superhero comics, the change in narrative and characterization is very clear, and after that date you can see DC scrambling (sometimes comically) to keep up. The grumbling Thing, the “old Parker luck”… it’s what catapulted Marvel to success.

Everything else aside, I’m not sure how an incredibly low-selling publisher on the brink of cancelling its superhero line “popularized” something if it was already in wide-spread use by a much more successful rival.

I look at characters like The Flash, both the Jay and Barry version, had used the "regular human turned superhero" trope prior to 1961. So it wasn't all man-gods with stoic speeches about duty. Heck even the Barry version used the joke of the fastest man alive always being late.

 

[erasure fan1]

Reactions comparing it to a Disney Channel kids show reek of middle-aged dudes who want to be assured they aren’t into kiddy stuff.

I agree with the rest of your post, but this part is the same overgeneralization that you argue against all the time. Ms Marvel did have a nickelodeon/Disney channel feel to it, just with a bigger budget in my opinion. At least the first couple episodes did, the show lost me after that. And that's perfectly fine. I don't find it being compared to that as really being a bad thing or insult. Now maybe it was ment to be. But It was clearly going after that demo, or the trailers and structure would have been different. It was the lowest watched mcu show, so it clearly didn't resonate with the demo they were going after.

 

[WorldExplorer]

Except what you're calling a "joke" is the whole concept in which the genre is built going back almost 90 years. And again its not limited to just Marvel, name any other superhero story with an secret identity and they all have this "joke" as you call it of the superhero that has a "normal person" secret identity. And most if not all yes poke fun at it in order to give the audience a chuckle because we're "in on it". Like the "joke" that all Superman has to do is to put on glasses and he isn't recognized especially by the woman that loves him.

The only thing that Ms Marvel had in common with Sky High (and I like Sky High) is the fact that both are lighthearted stories that deals with kids with super powers. Sky High was a parody of the superhero genre, which Ms Marvel was not.

Anyways, no one is saying you have to like it. But as I said if you are tired of the "joke" then yeah you might as well just say you don't want to see superhero movies anymore. As the "joke" isn't going to go away and will continue to be used for laughs at times.

The act of having a secret identity isn't a joke. Stuff like "we must continue our serious mission through space" "is there time to use the bathroom?" is a joke. It's a lame joke. I didn't laugh. Sorry?

Don't worry; I kept giving them my money with the earlier ones with better jokes (and writing), but they're not getting any more.

(Sky High is a good movie. This wasn't.)

 

[Disney Irish]

Stuff like "we must continue our serious mission through space" "is there time to use the bathroom?" is a joke. It's a lame joke. I didn't laugh. Sorry?

Don't worry; I kept giving them my money with the earlier ones with better jokes, but they're not getting any more.

(Sky High is a good movie. This wasn't.)

Sorry you didn't enjoy it, or the obvious throwaway lines. Its your money I'm not worried what you do with it.