unkadug
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Spoken as only a true MJ fan could speak it.
I have read such similar accolades from fans of Elvis, Madonna, Lady Gaga, Devo, B-52's, Latoya Jackson, A Flock Of Seagulls...with only a few words changed.
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Spoken as only a true MJ fan could speak it.
I have read such similar accolades from fans of Elvis, Madonna, Lady Gaga, Devo, B-52's, Latoya Jackson, A Flock Of Seagulls...with only a few words changed.
Grizzly Hall 71
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But it's their opinion. They may think you and are silly for sitting on a discussion forum talking about a place we don't even own. They can't say what's silly or not but they can have an opinion.
And there are millions of MJ fans. Just because you don't like him doesn't make it thousands.
fractal
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Musical taste aside, If it wasn't for MJ and Madonna - MTV would never have made it out of the 80's.
Grizzly Hall 71
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Spoken as only a true MJ fan could speak it.
I have read such similar accolades from fans of Elvis, Madonna, Lady Gaga, Devo, B-52's, Latoya Jackson, A Flock Of Seagulls...with only a few words changed.
Spoken like a true Jackson hater.
Jackson did change MTV from a racist music channel to a diverse music channel.
Grizzly Hall 71
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Thank you. But some people just hate to see people make it big.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Grizzly Hall 71
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I am not a MJ hater. Quit putting words in my mouth.
But it's ok for you to say the other poster is a Jackson fan right?
Tigger1988
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Yup, the network playing MJ was a huge step for them and for the industry as a whole.
the-reason14
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Spoken as only a true MJ fan could speak it.
I have read such similar accolades from fans of Elvis, Madonna, Lady Gaga, Devo, B-52's, Latoya Jackson, A Flock Of Seagulls...with only a few words changed.
So you mean to tell me that inspite of you're personal bias or whatever to MJ, that you can't say he had a huge impact in music? If not then you are a hater, a delusional one at that. And who is lady gaga, elvis, etc to MJ? Nobody if you ask me.
But I'm wasting my time if you honestly think MJ didn't make history and was a complete game changer. But hey, "haters gon hate cuz most of them ain't got nothin better to do."
Grizzly Hall 71
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So you mean to tell me that inspite of you're personal bias or whatever to MJ, that you can't say he had a huge impact in music? If not then you are a hater, a delusional one at that. And who is lady gaga, elvis, etc to MJ? Nobody if you ask me.
But I'm wasting my time if you honestly think MJ didn't make history and was a complete game changer. But hey, "haters gon hate cuz most of them ain't got nothin better to do."
Agreed to the fullest
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unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
So you mean to tell me that inspite of you're personal bias or whatever to MJ, that you can't say he had a huge impact in music? If not then you are a hater, a delusional one at that. And who is lady gaga, elvis, etc to MJ? Nobody if you ask me.
But I'm wasting my time if you honestly think MJ didn't make history and was a complete game changer. But hey, "haters gon hate cuz most of them ain't got nothin better to do."
I am by no means a MJ hater, I'm not sure where either of you get that impression, but I'm certainly by no means a die-hard worshiper either.
To totally discredit Elvis and Lady Gaga is a much more foolish move on your part in rationalizing your unhealthy love of a false deity.
And here we go again with the hate mongering.
Get over it guys.
stlbobby
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This is a response to multiple statements so I won't quote them all, but I fully admit I hate MJ, not because he is successful, but because I detest his music. It is repetitive nonsense with no artistic value.
I fully admit he was huge. I admit his music is catchy, as much as I dislike it, every time I hear Smooth Criminal it gets stuck in my head for days. I admit he broke some boundaries. I'm not sure he was a game changer in that he was just doing what tons of pop artists before him did, but he did sell more records than anyone else doing it.
I just don't like his music or his persona, and my original point was it had nothing to do with pedophilia, because my distaste predates any accusations.
As far as Mtv goes it was never racist. It was programmed like a radio station. It catered to a homogeneous group of listeners, just like radio was programmed then and is programmed now. Mtv did cave. The only reason they played MJ is because his record company threatened to pull all of their other artists.
Mtv's programming wasn't racist it is just the way TV is programmed. Every station selects a market segment and then airs programming that appeals to that segment. Mtv was and is no more racist, than BET, Spike, or TNT.
In reality Mtv was destroyed by diversifying it's playlist. Just like radio stations that stray too far from their core demographic they eventually tanked. That is why Mtv abandoned videos altogether and is the mess of reality programming it is today.
I fully admit he was huge. I admit his music is catchy, as much as I dislike it, every time I hear Smooth Criminal it gets stuck in my head for days. I admit he broke some boundaries. I'm not sure he was a game changer in that he was just doing what tons of pop artists before him did, but he did sell more records than anyone else doing it.
I just don't like his music or his persona, and my original point was it had nothing to do with pedophilia, because my distaste predates any accusations.
As far as Mtv goes it was never racist. It was programmed like a radio station. It catered to a homogeneous group of listeners, just like radio was programmed then and is programmed now. Mtv did cave. The only reason they played MJ is because his record company threatened to pull all of their other artists.
Mtv's programming wasn't racist it is just the way TV is programmed. Every station selects a market segment and then airs programming that appeals to that segment. Mtv was and is no more racist, than BET, Spike, or TNT.
In reality Mtv was destroyed by diversifying it's playlist. Just like radio stations that stray too far from their core demographic they eventually tanked. That is why Mtv abandoned videos altogether and is the mess of reality programming it is today.
Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
That must be why he influenced nearly every artist who came after him.
The Beatles had plenty of songs full of "repetitive nonsense" but I'd never question their artistic value.
the-reason14
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I am by no means a MJ hater, I'm not sure where either of you get that impression, but I'm certainly by no means a die-hard worshiper either.
To totally discredit Elvis and Lady Gaga is a much more foolish move on your part in rationalizing your unhealthy love of a false deity.
And here we go again with the hate mongering.
There's nothing to get over, as the facts are there. All I said was if you really don't think MJ had a huge impact on music, and put people like lady gaga in the same breath as him, then this is a wasteful argument. Elvis was well established, but he didn't have the impact that MJ had.
And I'm not a huge MJ fan either, but even a casual person would tell you that MJ was one of the biggest stars in music. So maybe you are the one that needs to get over it.
the-reason14
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Grizzly Hall 71
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There's nothing to get over, as the facts are there. All I said was if you really don't think MJ had a huge impact on music, and put people like lady gaga in the same breath as him, then this is a wasteful argument. Elvis was well established, but he didn't have the impact that MJ had.
And I'm not a huge MJ fan either, but even a casual person would tell you that MJ was one of the biggest stars in music. So maybe you are the one that needs to get over it.
Agreed again. To say Mike didn't have a huge impact on music is like saying Walt Disney didn't have an impact on the theme park business. The facts are there Mike was big and did a lot for the music industry.
Spreading the cool
the-reason14
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I wouldn't say MJ's music had no artistic value, the guy had a lot of range. The way he could interpret almost every instrument in his songs through movement takes talent. The way he could sing meaningful ballads, also takes talent. He had more than the up tempo dance records that he was famous for, he also had some very reflective mid temps's that fits the very definition of an artist. For you to call his music repetitive shows you really didn't hear enough of his music, but maybe a few of his famous songs.
And Mj was the very definition of a game changer. I believe he was the first to fully dance in his videos, and everyone followed that trend. He also took "the music video" and made it into a big piece of promotion and made them more of mini movies. Mtv had no choice, if they were playing the best of the time, then they had to play Michael Jackson.
Bet was created solely because mtv refused to play MJ and other black artists. In the end it all worked out because it reflected music in general and not just catering to one genre.
I did hear about mtv being threatened if they didn't play MJ, and I agree it doesn't fit it's name today, but if the general public wanted to see more than what was shown then it was good for mtv to finally appeal to more people.
rkelly42
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All this is going to turn into is one persons beliefs vs. anothers. Some people like music that others do not. Some people never trusted MJ after all the allegations, but that is their free will. If you do not like MJ you will not like EO. I was not a big fan of MJ's music and who knows the truth behind the allegations. I never really wanted EO back after seeing it so many times before, I wish they came up with something new and fresh.
