Cantina de San Angel heading into the lagoon

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Woohoo new Illiuminations viewing spot :sohappy::sohappy:

Any slim chance this opens sometime in August???
 

EPCOT Explorer

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How much difference will that little strip make?...I don't see it. :lol:


I really wonder how they want to do the two story addition...it can't block the main pyramid...or can it?


Cool stuff, regardless.
 

Pete C

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How much difference will that little strip make?...I don't see it. :lol:


I really wonder how they want to do the two story addition...it can't block the main pyramid...or can it?


Cool stuff, regardless.

I don't see why not if the restaurant is popular enough. It could block the view from head on across the lake, but other angles will still see it. Also it will look cool when walking in between the restaurant and pyramid. Give it more of a built up street look. Epcot has really become the place to dine, and most places are packed to the brim every night. Adding more dining just makes sense.
 

fireworkz

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Also it will look cool when walking in between the restaurant and pyramid. Give it more of a built up street look.

Agreed, it make Mexico look a little more like the other pavilions from a distance. A collection of structures representing the country. Anyone seen the design of the new restaurant? Just a thought, but could it also be possible the new restaurant will be lower, or maybe have a terraced section on the lagoon side? That would lower the profile of a larger two story without blocking anymore of the pyramid than the old structure. It's a stretch, but I do notice the decorative tarps also cover the retaining wall on the lagoon side. If so it would make the restaurant a great place to watch Illuminations, more unobstructed views for dinners.
 

wdwmagic

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Agreed, it make Mexico look a little more like the other pavilions from a distance. A collection of structures representing the country. Anyone seen the design of the new restaurant? Just a thought, but could it also be possible the new restaurant will be lower, or maybe have a terraced section on the lagoon side? That would lower the profile of a larger two story without blocking anymore of the pyramid than the old structure. It's a stretch, but I do notice the decorative tarps also cover the retaining wall on the lagoon side. If so it would make the restaurant a great place to watch Illuminations, more unobstructed views for dinners.

It will be a 2 story, with a pier out into the lagoon. Indoor and outdoor seating with both a counter sevrice and table service. The prime IllumiNations viewing spots will be table service.
 

dreamfinder

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I just don't see how those pics show it expanding into the lagoon. I see booms to ensure any spills don't spread to the entire lake. And a strange little wooden cross thing that to me would indicate more a placement for a boat or some other theming. I'm not saying it isn't going to happen, but I just don't see it from those shots.
 

Master Yoda

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How much difference will that little strip make?...I don't see it. :lol:


I really wonder how they want to do the two story addition...it can't block the main pyramid...or can it?


Cool stuff, regardless.
Disney would never block the view of a beautiful building.:rolleyes:

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Master Yoda

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I just don't see how those pics show it expanding into the lagoon. I see booms to ensure any spills don't spread to the entire lake. And a strange little wooden cross thing that to me would indicate more a placement for a boat or some other theming. I'm not saying it isn't going to happen, but I just don't see it from those shots.
For the most part you are not going to put out debris floats unless you intend on actually working in the water. If they were tying to just block debris and runoff into the lagoon a land based debris screen would be less expensive and in many cases more effective.
 

niteobsrvr

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For the most part you are not going to put out debris floats unless you intend on actually working in the water. If they were tying to just block debris and runoff into the lagoon a land based debris screen would be less expensive and in many cases more effective.

Florida requires the floating barrier whenever work has been permitted that will be adjacent to a body of water and is likely to disturb exisitng sedimentation as well introduce additional sediment.

I would wonder if anyone has seen the actual plans for the restaurant calling for and extension into the existing lake. Based on what I see in the photograph, we have a sedimentation barrier and small buoys to further delineate the barrier from passing watercraft.
 

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
I always enjoyed eating at this restaurant. The problem I had is that people would camp out there hours in advance for Illuminations and wouldn't even has so much as a glass of water on their table. I am not talking about trying to find a seat for dinner at 8pm. Many many times, you would have people camped out as early as 4 and 5 oclock.

This made it hard for those of us actually utlizing the location for its intended purpose as a quick service food location. More than once, I had to get my food and then eat it from atop a railing or even a garbage can due to this situation.

Hopefully, the remodel will eliminate this issue altogether.
 

Master Yoda

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Florida requires the floating barrier whenever work has been permitted that will be adjacent to a body of water and is likely to disturb exisitng sedimentation as well introduce additional sediment.

I would wonder if anyone has seen the actual plans for the restaurant calling for and extension into the existing lake. Based on what I see in the photograph, we have a sedimentation barrier and small buoys to further delineate the barrier from passing watercraft.
That is the key. You will frequently see work being dine next to a lake or body of water without the floating barriers because the construction will not disturb the bank or the sediment. A sediment barrier will be put up a few feet away from the shore line but you generally do not see the floating barriers come out until you see some sort of dock, deck, bulkhead, etc type construction going on. Now could Disney just be erring on the side of caution? Sure. The file NOC for replacing a single electrical outlets so the certainly have a reputation for sticking to the letter of the building cove but is has been reported by several people that the restaurant would be expanded over the lagoon.
 

niteobsrvr

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That is the key. You will frequently see work being dine next to a lake or body of water without the floating barriers because the construction will not disturb the bank or the sediment. A sediment barrier will be put up a few feet away from the shore line but you generally do not see the floating barriers come out until you see some sort of dock, deck, bulkhead, etc type construction going on. Now could Disney just be erring on the side of caution? Sure. The file NOC for replacing a single electrical outlets so the certainly have a reputation for sticking to the letter of the building cove but is has been reported by several people that the restaurant would be expanded over the lagoon.

I sent the photo to an engineer freind of mine who has done work on Disney projects before. I asked the following question:

"Does anything in this picture indicate that they are going to be building a pier or boardwalk area out into the lagoon?"

Here is his answer:

"NOT YET, BUT THE TURBIDITY BARRIER USUALLY IMPLIES THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF CONSTRUCTION. I.E. DRAINAGE"

I would not read too much into the the devices until there are definite signs of construction. I have seen those same barriers in place on Disney property where absolutley no construciton is taking place.
 

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