flynnibus
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It kind of devalues the idea of a Astronaut when you say... 'walk on up and be one in 30secs!'. You gotta keep your position at a bit of a distance if you want to protect the mystic of it.
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It kind of devalues the idea of a Astronaut when you say... 'walk on up and be one in 30secs!'. You gotta keep your position at a bit of a distance if you want to protect the mystic of it.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Mister Lincoln vs Christopher Walken... Mr Lincoln will never be able to do the type of sequence that the projection of Walken does.
What fans need to accept is AAs have limitations. And if your staging calls for something beyond AAs... you should probably consider 'the right tool for the job' instead of bending your scene to the AA.
Impressions de France
Fairybuzz
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But I can watch Walken at home why do I need to shell out nearly 100 bucks to watch a movie?
Figments Friend
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I wish you a wonderful visit to 'Walt's Park'.
I think you will enjoy it immensely!
Fantasyland will blow you away from a design standpoint.
Fairybuzz
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Disneyland still after all this time seems to keep the old disney feel because its not a slave to "what the people want"
flynnibus
Premium Member
If you think it's just 'watching a movie' - you are either being obtuse, or have never experienced the attraction in question.
MerlinTheGoat
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I'd love to see an update (provided it's not half assed or given any pop culture and/or celebrity crap). Though i'd like for them to keep some of the wonderful music such as Carnival of the Animals and Clair de Lune.
Fairybuzz
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To me its just more impressive to build the scenes and have you be there. I'm not a huge action boom explosion fan so I've never been on disaster thats true. but It appears that that is a hologram and not a movie playing. But I thought we were talking about spiderman?
I don't hate universal btw. Mummy ride definately has better theming than say Rock'n'Rollercoaster which has lots of plywood cutouts. I judge both series parks by single rides alone not by this park is better. I just like disney better overall because It has rides that are not based on established lore.
MerlinTheGoat
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I definitely prefer animatronics to projections. Obviously there are some motions a projection can perform that an animatronic can't. But there's something immensely more satisfying and impressive with seeing a physical figure in actual 3-dimensional space than watching a video instead.
flynnibus
Premium Member
You should try it sometime.. it might alter your perception. Disaster has a scene that blends physical sets, live actors, and projection in a realistic way.
If you want to focus on spiderman... it's even worse for your AAs are always #1 position. The speed and dexterity required to show spiderman being.. you know.. spiderman.. just isn't practical with AAs. If you want to stage type of scene.. it would look pathetic with AAs. You have to use the technology that fits your application.. not constrain yourself to one tech and say that's all we can ever do.
AAs still struggle to be convincing as humans up close. They work best by staging them in almost static scenes with distance between the guest and set. The limitations of the tech drive the staging of the attraction.
Indy is a great example... they put really convincing Indy AA figures in what is otherwise a very high speed, intense attraction.. but they had to put him in scenes where he is basically motionless except his head.
Use the tools that fit the need best. Do not hold onto these extreme 'one is always better than the other' attitudes. Because you're missing that when the right tool is used for the right job.. the effect is going to be the best.
Fairybuzz
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Fair, but I still think that having almost every ride be a hybrid simulator gets a bit old.
Transformers FJ spidy its enough already.
My biggest gripe about the use of screens however is in disney itself. The Seas with nemo uses screens in a way that makes it obvious that they just wanted to do it cheap and quick
flynnibus
Premium Member
There is an element you guys are probably subconsciously holding onto. The 'its impressive' or the 'how did they do that' element. You as fans are fascinated by the technology and the levels it took to get there.. in addition to the actual resulting effect. As a fan of Disney tech.. you admire the AA.. because it's an AA.
The same thing can be said of motion picture digital effects. Quite often people will appreciate one effect more than another because they know how it was achieved and subconsciously that alters their enjoyment of the effect. People who admired the old ways, often see the computer way as 'cheating' and value it less than the difficulty it would have taken to achieve the same effect in the classic ways. That's all great when you are trying to be critical of the film makers... but shouldn't alter your enjoyment of the product. But often people just can't get over that and keep a lingering stigma.
lazyboy97o
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There are three between two parks...
GLaDOS
Well-Known Member
And they're 3 of the best rides in the world, let alone in the city.
Disney has 6 omnimovers between 4 parks. Do people think they get old after a while?
lazyboy97o
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Yeah, but that whole being the best thing is so played out. Next year they're even trying to have five of the best rides in the world. Talk about unoriginal.
GLaDOS
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And both of them will involve screens! Totally a waste.
MerlinTheGoat
Well-Known Member
And the issue with admiring AA's is? Some of us just think AA's are cool, period. It doesn't have to be dissected into some sort of psychological affliction.
I don't think omnimovers get old. Or rather, the ones with quality show scenes like Spaceship Earth, Horizons, Imagination 1.0, World of Motion or Haunted Mansion.
I'm not a fan of projections as stated unless used conservatively.
Gringotts i'm far more excited for than any of those three rides. Though it's because it's supposed to have more of an emphasis on physical sets and apparently is going to have more animatronic elements than more recent rides. I'm kind of ok with projected elements when they're mixed with a ton of practical effects as well. And thankfully that sounds like what Universal is aiming at for their future endeavors.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Now you're just getting defensive instead of being objective. The point is your perception and admiration may be skewed by the 'how' and not just by the actual resulting effect. When you step back and try to understand why two different people have differing evaluations of the same thing.. you look at what influences them and what they value. This is reasoning and intelligence - not some classification of 'afflication'
In the Disney community, AA technology is highly valued.. because it was one of Disney's early differentiators and a long standing area of innovation for the company. This mentality is also repeatedly reinforced by the admiration of the classics such as Pirates/etc. These types of attractions are elevated to be the pinnacle of attractions. This combination provides a feedback loop that reiterates time and time again the 'value' and admiration for the means... much more than say if you took a opinion from a isolated subject. The one in isolation would appreciate the RESULT more so than the history of the company/tech that cummulated in that effect.
Fairybuzz
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Still they are essentially the same idea. It looks lazy to have two simulators in one park. I dont like when DCA has 2 3-d shows either it just seems sloppy