Bruce Vaughn @ D23 on Universal Creative, Original rides, etc.

Expo_Seeker40

Expo_Seeker40

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Bruce says Disney Parks aren't museums and for some Disney resorts that's true, yet when one looks at WDW, the Great Movie ride is the same show it's always been since 1989 except for it's ending with the display of films. Carousel of Progress hasn't been significantly updated since 1994. Universe of Energy since 1996, IllumiNations since 2000. Wishes since 2003. The Main Street Electrical Parade is still from the 70s, despite being brought back to WDW in 2001 and in recent years. The Electrical Water Pageant has only gone through minor audio and float changes since it premiered in 1971, and the list keeps going on. (Maelstrom, Impressions de France, American Adventure is the same show since 1982 with the exception of it's ending film, etc, etc)

Disney parks in the US market themselves on memories, nostalgia, and things that happened in our childhood. They thrive in a way as museums because the dedicated fans love the "classic" attractions from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.(and in some cases the 80s and 90s)

What they need to do is take a damn close look at what happened with the tiki room and orange bird. Bringing back the original tiki room show, but using new technology....and the orange bird reboot was pure marketing.

I'm all for new fireworks shows, daytime and evening parades, and even new attractions, but they must find a way to balance the small roster of surviving classic attractions as well as the classic attractions that have yet to receive any refurbishment (Carousel of Progress, I'm look at you.)

I used to be a big fanboi (not weight wise though!) I was seriously on the WDW pixie dust and the Spirit almost slapped me across the face one time while watching the MSEP even though it broke down while we were watching it.

It wasn't until I left WDW and went to Disneyland Paris (I don't think most WDW fans get out much, just an observation...) it wasn't until I went to Disneyland Paris that I saw how much better WDW could be and can't wait until I visit Disneyland for the first time later this year.

WDW has become dreadfully stale and Universal is already in the process of getting visitors to Orlando to take their wallets up their way and spend less time at WDW because quality will always win over quantity.
 
Zweiland

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erwinalber4 said:
- My statement regarding Avatar is based on my trust in WDI to do something amazing. Again, I doubt they are going to let WDW fall behind UNI. I used Carsland as a recent example because it shows that WDI can still create a highly themed land.
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"Let WDW fall behind Uni"??!

I now have no doubt that you are from the past. Go back to 1985, Marty.
 
BryceM

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wedenterprises said:
Getting whipped around from screen to screen is Uni's answer to pixie dust.
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You could argue this for Transformers, since it really heavily relies on screens. However, Spider-Man relies on practical effects and sets just as much as screens. The "rising building" effect used to boggle my mind when I was a little kid, and heck, it still does. Forbidden Journey relies on even more real sets (the observation tower, the broken bridge, the whomping willow, forbidden forest, the chamber of secrets, etc.) Then there are the spiders, the animatronic dragon, the animatronic whomping willow, the slightly unimpressive dementors (hehe), etc.

Some of Universal's best attractions don't even use screens at all.
 
erwinalber4

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To those quoting my posts I'm not looking for an argument. I respect your opinions and only ask that mine be treated the same. I like WDW over UNI and that won't change. I still have faith in WDI and hope to see some brand new experiences in the future that will blow us all away.
In response to the Dinosaur vs Spiderman comment. Yes, I do think Dinosaur is the stronger dark ride of the two in terms of story. I know many if not all, disagree but this is simply an opinion. It is not just a ride through the dark as pointed out. It is a time traveling adventure back to the prehistoric age. The animatronics and incoming asteroid impact seal the deal for me. I much prefer the animatronics to 3D any day. Just a reminder, not looking for an argument just stating my opinion.
 
Fairybuzz

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erwinalber4 said:
To those quoting my posts I'm not looking for an argument. I respect your opinions and only ask that mine be treated the same. I like WDW over UNI and that won't change. I still have faith in WDI and hope to see some brand new experiences in the future that will blow us all away.
In response to the Dinosaur vs Spiderman comment. Yes, I do think Dinosaur is the stronger dark ride of the two in terms of story. I know many if not all, disagree but this is simply an opinion. It is not just a ride through the dark as pointed out. It is a time traveling adventure back to the prehistoric age. The animatronics and incoming asteroid impact seal the deal for me. I much prefer the animatronics to 3D any day. Just a reminder, not looking for an argument just stating my opinion.
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I agree there. AAs trump videos all the time. That's my complaint about seas with nemo. anyone can just watch a movie in their house, you can't create lifelike figures. Its that feeling of no screen between you and the action that makes it more real.
 
Tom Morrow

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erwinalber4 said:
To those quoting my posts I'm not looking for an argument. I respect your opinions and only ask that mine be treated the same. I like WDW over UNI and that won't change. I still have faith in WDI and hope to see some brand new experiences in the future that will blow us all away.
In response to the Dinosaur vs Spiderman comment. Yes, I do think Dinosaur is the stronger dark ride of the two in terms of story. I know many if not all, disagree but this is simply an opinion. It is not just a ride through the dark as pointed out. It is a time traveling adventure back to the prehistoric age. The animatronics and incoming asteroid impact seal the deal for me. I much prefer the animatronics to 3D any day. Just a reminder, not looking for an argument just stating my opinion.
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I agree that Dinosaur has a stronger story. In fact, I think its one of the most creative stories for any theme park ride, anywhere. But we're not discussing that. You stated that Dinosaur is more immersive than Spider-Man, but you literally spend at least half of Dinosaur in near total darkness to mask the fact that the ride was budget cut to death and there isn't actually anything to look at.
 
WDWVolFan

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marni1971 said:
Or the five screen film playing since 1982 that'd take half a managers bonus to edit bang up to date and look beautiful on the lovely digital projection system recently installed?
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I don't know which attraction you're talking about or the 1986 3D movie...which ones are these two?
 
Fairybuzz

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Tom Morrow said:
I agree that Dinosaur has a stronger story. In fact, I think its one of the most creative stories for any theme park ride, anywhere. But we're not discussing that. You stated that Dinosaur is more immersive than Spider-Man, but you literally spend at least half of Dinosaur in near total darkness to mask the fact that the ride was budget cut to death and there isn't actually anything to look at.
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Of course the only thing that bugs me about dinosaur is well other than the name change, is that they chose to go on the day of the asteroid when a day earlier may have been sufficiant or even a week a year etc. Unless they figured if the dino is gonna die anyway removing it wouldn't change the past?
 
Tom Morrow

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I guess you are getting him because he is the last living Dinosaur, or something. I guess that aspect of the story is pretty weak, but the idea of having the life on earth-ending asteroid be your main threat is unique and creative.
 
Fairybuzz

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Tom Morrow said:
I guess you are getting him because he is the last living Dinosaur, or something. I guess that aspect of the story is pretty weak, but the idea of having the life on earth-ending asteroid be your main threat is unique and creative.
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I would assume if this didn't have to be jammed into the time limit of the attraction they'd do it a bit before thinking they had loads of time then something goes wrong and they cant get it till the last day/minute
 
lazyboy97o

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Tom Morrow said:
I agree that Dinosaur has a stronger story. In fact, I think its one of the most creative stories for any theme park ride, anywhere. But we're not discussing that. You stated that Dinosaur is more immersive than Spider-Man, but you literally spend at least half of Dinosaur in near total darkness to mask the fact that the ride was budget cut to death and there isn't actually anything to look at.
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You're totally immersed in the darkness!! No other ride gives you that same feeling of being tossed about in the dark!
 
FigmentJedi

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Tom Morrow said:
I guess you are getting him because he is the last living Dinosaur, or something. I guess that aspect of the story is pretty weak, but the idea of having the life on earth-ending asteroid be your main threat is unique and creative.
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No, it's just that Seeker arbitrarily tagged an Iguanodon on a field trip to the past and for some reason, thinks meteor time is his one shot to pick him up.
 
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docandsix

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RSoxNo1 said:
The thing with Vaughn's "Bring it On" comment is that I'm sure he feels like that. I really don't doubt the capabilities of the Imagineers, I doubt the willingness of the powers that be to let them "wow" us.
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Not sure about this statement. I certainly was "wowed" by how atrocious the netting around the base of the Tree of Life looked in July. It "wows" me that TDO is willing to convert a beautiful park landmark like that into a dilapidated, run-down shambles by failing to spend money and manpower on maintenance and upkeep. Truthfully, the powers that be at TDO amaze me on a regular basis these days.
 
RSoxNo1

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docandsix said:
Not sure about this statement. I certainly was "wowed" by how atrocious the netting around the base of the Tree of Life looked in July. It "wows" me that TDO is willing to convert a beautiful park landmark like that into a dilapidated, run-down shambles by failing to spend money and manpower on maintenance and upkeep. Truthfully, the powers that be at TDO amaze me on a regular basis these days.
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You're confusing TDO with the Imagineers.
 

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