Breaking News: DLR and WDW now have restricted air space zones

[SirNim]

Originally posted by imagineerfan
My uncle, a former pilot, once told me a while ago, way before september 11, that WDW has always been a "no fly zone." Thats why I assumed you never saw planes fly over the area, except for an occasional helicoper. Has this always been true?

:veryconfu

I don't know, but I do know that, at least for some time, and as far as I know, up to the present moment, nobody could land their plane on WDW property, because if someone landed their plane at WDW (a small airstrip on property or what not) the plane owner would have to disassemble the entire plane and put it in a truck to be shipped off the property. You could land at WDW, but you couldn't take off. I know many aerial pictures have been taken of WDW by people in private planes over what we can assume is WDW airspace, and I don't think the planes were, in fact, helicopters. So I think that pre-9/11 and in fact post 9/11 planes could use WDW airspace. But not anymore, not today, 3/18/03...

 

[Cheryl]

Well, just my two cents but until today my husband had his doubts about going to WDW for our vacation in July but now hearing about the no-fly zone might just be the clincher! He's thinking that if the government is willing to put a my fly zone over Disney that perhaps the government is really scared that something might actually happen on US soil! Let's just hope that this war/conflict is over by July if not sooner!

 

[thedisneyfan]

I agree that it isn't Secret Service agents at Disney. The secret service protects high government officials as well as dealing with treasury(ie money counterfeiting) crimes not day to day security of the US. If there are agents at Disney then they would be underciver FBI agents most likely. Not a biggie but it isn't the Secret Service's domain.

 

[mkt]

Originally posted by no2apprentice
Maybe some other federal agency[/url]

seriously, I THINK (ie- not sure... not 100% definite) they have ATF agents there. I'm not certain on that though, since my source for this knowledge has failed me once or twice (and come through a few more than that)

 

[bhg469]

Originally posted by mktiggerman
seriously, I THINK (ie- not sure... not 100% definite) they have ATF agents there. I'm not certain on that though, since my source for this knowledge has failed me once or twice (and come through a few more than that)

its possible due to the need for extra security everywhere agents from all the federal agencies are doing jobs they normally wouldent . thats why i wouldent rule out anything ie secret service, atf, fbi, probably not the cia ok almost definitely the cia but you get the idea.

 

[DMC-12]

Originally posted by SirNimajneb
So I think that pre-9/11 and in fact post 9/11 planes could use WDW airspace. But not anymore, not today, 3/18/03...

You are Correct....

Here is the Full FAA NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) for WDW:

FL.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ORLANDO, FL. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC (MARCH 18 AT 1500 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO RESTRICTIONS DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7, AND 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL, WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEY WORLD THEME PARK (282445N/0813420W OR THE ORLANDO /ORL/ VORTAC 243 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15 NAUTICAL MILES). THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO: (A) THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES, INCLUDING AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT USING STANDARD AIR TRAFFIC PROCEDURES; (B) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR AEROMEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN CONTACT WITH ATC. THOSE WHO MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY APPLY FOR A WAIVER TO THESE RESTRICTIONS: (A) FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF THE VENUE INCLUDING THE TRANSPORTATION OF EQUIPMENT OR OFFICIALS OF THE GOVERNING BODY; (B) FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY PURPOSES OF THE VENUE. INFORMATION REGARDING WAIVER APPLICATIONS CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/ATS/ATA/WAIVER

 

[DMC-12]

And here is the one for DL

CA. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ANAHEIM, CA. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC (MARCH 18 AT 1200 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO RESTRICTIONS DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7, AND 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL, WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEYLAND THEME PARK (334805N/1175517W OR THE SEAL BEACH /SLI/ 067 DEGREE RADIAL AT 6.7 NAUTICAL MILES...blah blah blah more technical jargon.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Perhaps Disney are just trying to hide some ground breaking.:animwink:

A NOTAM like that could relate to something as trivial as a baloon competition. Besides just telling someone they cant dosent exactly ensure they wont.

 

[BigNorm]

I'm thinking this maybe is a good idea, and maybe it should've been done a long time ago. Remember DLR was one of the places mentioned as an original target by the 9/11 terrorists. Like I said, maybe this is a good thing.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Mmmm given the proximity of aircraft on approach and departure from Orlando, unless a missile battery has been deployed or there are CAPs I fail to see how this achieves anything apart from upping the anti on the fear factor.
Or perhaps that’s the intention?

 

[DMC-12]

Originally posted by happy snapper
Perhaps Disney are just trying to hide some ground breaking.:animwink:

A NOTAM like that could relate to something as trivial as a baloon competition. Besides just telling someone they cant dosent exactly ensure they wont.

Well... I did see some balloons (over WDW) over the weekend... but I dont think this is related.

I would think if the NOTAM is ignored and some one flew below 3000 feet... the FAA would be all over them... I dunno if they would have the F-16's scrambled to intercept... but, the FAA would be mighty angry.

When I was routing my airborne units (for news gathering purposes) shortly after 9-11... I tiptoed around certain NOTAMS and restrictions...the FAA caught on... I got my hands slapped... and airborne units grounded....lol

 

[no2apprentice]

Maybe someone who knows a little more about flying can help me with this, but a 3,000 foot AGL restriction doesn't seem like very much of a...well, restriction. Is this a standard elevation for resrictions? Is it usually more? Anyone with flying experience? Or maybe Ijones88?

 

[thedisneyfan]

Originally posted by Cheryl
Well, just my two cents but until today my husband had his doubts about going to WDW for our vacation in July but now hearing about the no-fly zone might just be the clincher! He's thinking that if the government is willing to put a my fly zone over Disney that perhaps the government is really scared that something might actually happen on US soil! Let's just hope that this war/conflict is over by July if not sooner!

You really can't live your life in such fear. No place is safe. Although yes it is interesting that the Disney parks have been singled out, but we can't all hole up in our homes and live no life. If we have to go then maybe its best to go at one of the happiest places on earth rather than being attacked at a store, subway, bus, airport, train, mall, or even own home, or a million other places. Just continue living and go to WDW----the happiest place on earth! :sohappy:

 

[Katherine]

I think this is a good idea only because if a plane or what not tries to destroy WDW then they will be alerted earlier because they'll fly in that zone. I don't think it will stop anything big but you never know.

 

[tigsmom]

there is a good article in today's Orlando Sentinal (www.orlandosentinal.com). It's on the front page, but sometimes they change those stories. It is also found under NEWS. Seems Disney has been after restrited airspace for sometime...Know people who are there now and some more who are leaving today and both feel that Disney is a safe place to be right now.

 

[movie777]

Hey i am going tommorow but hearing about this will this effect the park or just having anything fly above WDW

 

[BRER STITCH]

Doesn't it strike anyone else as very disturbing that so many people on this board seem to know all about the activities of the SECRET SERVICE??

Not very reassuring to live in a country where VICTORIA'S SECRET seems to be better kept!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[GoofMaul]

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
You really can't live your life in such fear. No place is safe. Although yes it is interesting that the Disney parks have been singled out, but we can't all hole up in our homes and live no life. If we have to go then maybe its best to go at one of the happiest places on earth rather than being attacked at a store, subway, bus, airport, train, mall, or even own home, or a million other places. Just continue living and go to WDW----the happiest place on earth! :sohappy:

I agree. I am going in May. :sohappy: I am not going to let terrorist ruin my way of life. That would be like admitting defeat. In 2001, which included the September 11 attacks, the chances of being killed by a terrorist attack where something like 1 in 100,000. The chances of being killed in a car accident in the same year were 1 in 6,000. I plan to take my chances at WDW, but since I am staying on property I won't need a rental car so I reduce my risk greatly.

 

[wild01ride]

I think that the secret of the Secret Service is the ambiguity of what they actually do. For the doubters, check out: http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac.shtml
It certainly seems like if they work with threat assessment in schools that it's not all too unreasonable that they might, just might assess threat potential on an icon of American culture that millions of people visit every year.

Not that I do know a lot about the Secret Service, but I have an inkling that a lot of the people saying that the Secret Service could not possibly be at WDW don't have knowledge as to where they would be.
I mean, the way that National Security and the Federal Goverment is set up, the CIA and FBI don't even know what each other is doing- so you'd have to be completely naive to say "I know for sure that the Secret Service does not monitor WDW"- you don't know, so don't rule anything out.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Originally posted by DMC-12
And here is the one for DL

CA. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ANAHEIM, CA. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC (MARCH 18 AT 1200 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO RESTRICTIONS DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7, AND 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL, WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEYLAND THEME PARK

(I guess they don't care about Disney's California Adventure :lol: )