Breaking News: DLR and WDW now have restricted air space zones

CAPTAIN HOOK

Well-Known Member
Sorry to burst your bubble folks................but do you really think that the likes of Saddam would be put off from carrying out an air strike at Disney just because it has a no flight zone - c'mon - get real !!!!
Isn't there a similar no flight zone around the Pentagon ?? Well I'm afraid to say that it did a lot of good on 9/11.
Its the same as the security bag checks at the parks - it will not deter a terrorist, it is there for public reassurance
 

dreamer

New Member
Personally, I don't think the risk of getting killed at DW is any greater than the everyday risk of driving down the highway. It's just a NEW and more glamorous risk so it scares people.

I think AlQaeda and Saddam would laugh out loud with great satisfaction if they read some of the above (fearful) posts.
 

prberk

Well-Known Member
Does anyone know exactly which point is described as the center of the 3-mile radius as described in the WDW notice? Is it actually the front of the MK, or the castle, or even someplace more central to the WDW property?

WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEY WORLD THEME PARK (282445N/0813420W OR THE ORLANDO /ORL/ VORTAC 243 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15 NAUTICAL MILES).
 

WDW1971

Member
Originally posted by no2apprentice
Why would there be Secret Service agents walking the parks? Is the president, vice-president, their families, or a previous president going to visit?

Maybe there have been reports of counterfeit money there. The Secret Service also covers that.

Personally, I would like to take this moment to say that I back our President and our troops. God Bless them all. I will be praying for them!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
 

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anyone that is saying that this will make a difference in going to disney or not . dont say that. This will only make you more scared and it will ruin your life. that means your giving into the terrorist plans. Show the terrorist your not scared. I have seen many examples of this. My uncle is a flight attnedant for American airlines . he was suppose to be in one of the planes that hit the world trade center but luckly his friend came into town and he asked for the day off. He knew all the flight attendants that died. The first flight back he took was the same flight that the terrorist had taken 2 weeks or so before. He showed that he wasnt scared. Dont let this no fly zone scare you.
 

no2apprentice

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by WDW1971
Maybe there have been reports of counterfeit money there. The Secret Service also covers that.
Really? GWARSH, I had no idea. I thought they just ran around chasing Dr. Arliss Loveless.

True, the Secret Service could show up at WDW regarding counterfeit money (but I doubt this as well). But that was not the original post regarding the presence of the Secret Service at WDW. The original post indicated the Secret Service was posing as guests at WDW.

I'll go through this for each possible scenario.

- Counterfeiting. If counterfeit money is passed at WDW, the CM probably isn't going to catch it, because everytime I've been there, anything at a $20 bill and above is checked with a "counterfeit pen". So if it gets past a CM, it will probably be spotted at the bank. If the CM does get one, Disney security and local law enforcement would be contacted. Remember, deputies are now at the parks 24/7. My experiences with the Secret Service is that local law enforcement takes the money, secures it, and an agent picks it up later.

- Protection Detail. Speaks for itself. If someone on the Protection list was going to visit WDW, then Secret Service would send out an advance team and begin their work. But, I really don't think they would pose as guests of the park.

- Threat Assessment. This is where I could see Secret Service in the parks, working with Disney management and security to offer suggestions and ideas for worse case scenarios. But, since Disney is a private business, I would suspect this is a service Disney would request. Having done so, I don't think Disney would want any publicity or information going out that they are having the Secret Service doing threat assessments. Attendance is down enough as it is, and this type of information wouldn't help.

My whole point I'm trying to make with the Secret Service issue is that while it is possible the Secret Service was at WDW for a limited number of reasons, I just doubt they were there posing as guests, or to help out with security just because it's WDW, or to patrol the parks in the interest of "national security."

Am I with the Secret Service? No. And I'll be the first to admit that there may be things going on since 9/11 I'm not aware of. But considering their main priority is the President and the Vice-President, I think they have committed most available resources to those areas. Have I worked with the Secret Service? Yes, on several occasions, all on minor counterfeiting matters. They are very dedicated, and very very serious about the Protection Detail.
 

jaimjaim25

New Member
They mentioned on the news this morning that they were restricting over DW.... They showed video clips of the park while they broadcasted.. made me want to be there.. soon soon enough! :)
 

DonickCo

Active Member
Originally posted by DMC-12
You are Correct....

Here is the Full FAA NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) for WDW:

FL.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ORLANDO, FL. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC (MARCH 18 AT 1500 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO RESTRICTIONS DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7, AND 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL, WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEY WORLD THEME PARK (282445N/0813420W OR THE ORLANDO /ORL/ VORTAC 243 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15 NAUTICAL MILES). THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO: (A) THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES, INCLUDING AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT USING STANDARD AIR TRAFFIC PROCEDURES; (B) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR AEROMEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN CONTACT WITH ATC. THOSE WHO MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY APPLY FOR A WAIVER TO THESE RESTRICTIONS: (A) FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF THE VENUE INCLUDING THE TRANSPORTATION OF EQUIPMENT OR OFFICIALS OF THE GOVERNING BODY; (B) FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY PURPOSES OF THE VENUE. INFORMATION REGARDING WAIVER APPLICATIONS CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/ATS/ATA/WAIVER
 

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AdLibSean

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Originally posted by prberk
Does anyone know exactly which point is described as the center of the 3-mile radius as described in the WDW notice? Is it actually the front of the MK, or the castle, or even someplace more central to the WDW property?

WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEY WORLD THEME PARK (282445N/0813420W OR THE ORLANDO /ORL/ VORTAC 243 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15 NAUTICAL MILES).
Isn't the center of the the resort somewhere in Epcot?
 
Originally posted by prberk
Does anyone know exactly which point is described as the center of the 3-mile radius as described in the WDW notice? Is it actually the front of the MK, or the castle, or even someplace more central to the WDW property?

WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEY WORLD THEME PARK (282445N/0813420W OR THE ORLANDO /ORL/ VORTAC 243 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15 NAUTICAL MILES).

According to what our management told us today, I think it is a three mile radius from any WDW border. I don't really know what is going on on the guest side, but I do know that they are very serious about security checks for CMs.
 

Ijones88

Member
Originally posted by Mary Poppins
According to what our management told us today, I think it is a three mile radius from any WDW border. I don't really know what is going on on the guest side, but I do know that they are very serious about security checks for CMs.

The restricted airspace is a 3 NMR around the entrance to the MK up to 3000 ft. The same applies to DL. Thats according to the Federal Aviation Administration, I'm a air traffic control specialist in RDU that has to brief these pilots on this stuff all over the country. The coords for it is 2824.45n/08134.20w which shud be the MK entrance. If anyone has a gps unit, they could check it out. By the way, there wasnt a previous restriction over WDW, it says on the aviation charts that "pilots are encouraged not to fly below 3000ft over the parks."
 

DonickCo

Active Member
If you looked at my posts you could see that the Latitude and longitude of 2824.45n/08134.20w is just west of the Florida Turnpike south of 192 and south east of Disney. If you put a 12 mile radius around that center point it encapsulates Disney in the upper left hand corner. :animwink:
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
Originally posted by Ijones88
By the way, there wasnt a previous restriction over WDW, it says on the aviation charts that "pilots are encouraged not to fly below 3000ft over the parks."


I think there was/is a 3k one put in place around AK as to not upset the animals... not certain though
 

Ijones88

Member
Originally posted by DonickCo
If you looked at my posts you could see that the Latitude and longitude of 2824.45n/08134.20w is just west of the Florida Turnpike south of 192 and south east of Disney. If you put a 12 mile radius around that center point it encapsulates Disney in the upper left hand corner. :animwink:
:veryconfu
Where is the 12 mile radius coming from??? The notam states a 3 nmr around a single point and it only applies to the MK???:)
 

DonickCo

Active Member
Originally posted by DMC-12
You are Correct....

Here is the Full FAA NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) for WDW:

FL.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ORLANDO, FL. EFFECTIVE 0303182000 UTC (MARCH 18 AT 1500 LOCAL) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO RESTRICTIONS DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7, AND 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS. AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL, WITHIN A 3 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF THE DISNEY WORLD THEME PARK (282445N/0813420W OR THE ORLANDO /ORL/ VORTAC 243 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15 NAUTICAL MILES). THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO: (A) THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES, INCLUDING AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT USING STANDARD AIR TRAFFIC PROCEDURES; (B) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR AEROMEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN CONTACT WITH ATC. THOSE WHO MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY APPLY FOR A WAIVER TO THESE RESTRICTIONS: (A) FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF THE VENUE INCLUDING THE TRANSPORTATION OF EQUIPMENT OR OFFICIALS OF THE GOVERNING BODY; (B) FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY PURPOSES OF THE VENUE. INFORMATION REGARDING WAIVER APPLICATIONS CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/ATS/ATA/WAIVER
 

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