bottle opener confiscated

[MickeyMomV]

I completely agree that the item is harmless. My DH and I are both CPL carriers. We have even taken the time to properly teach my DS about how to properly and safely store, handle and shoot firearms. We would probably not give the keychain a second thought if we had seen it. However if (and this is a big if) you have the keychain in your pocket and you were in line for food or in a store and you grabbed money out of your pocket and your keys fell out and landed on the ground, notch side down, the person behind you just sees a bullet mixed with your keys. They have no way of knowing if you have one bullet or 20. Most people couldn't tell the difference between a .308, 22LR, or a 9mm round. To them a bullet is a bullet. So now you have a guest who seen the person in line in front of them conceal "bullets" in his pocket and they believe he may have a gun. They go from the store looking for security who then calls it in as a possible gun sighting and it all goes downhill from there.
Remember Disney guests can get CRAZY after 8+ hours in the hot sun and long lines. I can see the reason that one security guard said NO. Was he being a little overly cautious, probably. Is it because of the world we now live in, definitely!

 

[graphite1326]

I can't believe all the fuss about them not wanting something that looks like a weapon in the parks.

Here is where that ignorant thing comes in I posted earlier.

 

[graphite1326]

I completely agree that the item is harmless. My DH and I are both CPL carriers. We have even taken the time to properly teach my DS about how to properly and safely store, handle and shoot firearms. We would probably not give the keychain a second thought if we had seen it. However if (and this is a big if) you have the keychain in your pocket and you were in line for food or in a store and you grabbed money out of your pocket and your keys fell out and landed on the ground, notch side down, the person behind you just sees a bullet mixed with your keys. They have no way of knowing if you have one bullet or 20. Most people couldn't tell the difference between a .308, 223LR, or a 9mm round. To them a bullet is a bullet. So now you have a guest who seen the person in line in front of them conceal "bullets" in his pocket and they believe he may have a gun. They go from the store looking for security who then calls it in as a possible gun sighting and it all goes downhill from there.
Remember Disney guests can get CRAZY after 8+ hours in the hot sun and long lines. I can see the reason that one security guard said NO. Was he being a little overly cautious, probably. Is it because of the world we now live in, definitely!

I too am a conceal carry permit holder. However, if I dropped something like this in our grocery store it would be no big deal. The person behind me can probably see the bulge on my hip and would not be concerned at all. Probably because they have one too and might even strike up a conversation on what I have and what they prefer (and it has happened). It's just the culture we were brought up in. It's no big deal to us but someone from a large city who isn't used to this or are not educated in the use and safety of firearms.

 

[graphite1326]

It's not a weapon nor does it look like one? A bullet is not a weapon even a real bullet is harmless by itself. No more dangerous than a small rock. I have no issue with the item being inspected but once it was determined to be a bottle opener and something that could never be fired from a rifle it should have ended there. You act as if this "weapon looking thing" was some massive item the entire guest population would have panicked over when in reality it's a tiny piece of metal on a key ring with house keys and volkwagen fob...i can't see the fuss about people not know what is and isn't a weapon. Or even something that looks like a weapon. This was neither.

Well put.

 

[MickeyMomV]

I too am a conceal carry permit holder. However, if I dropped something like this in our grocery store it would be no big deal. The person behind me can probably see the bulge on my hip and would not be concerned at all. Probably because they have one too and might even strike up a conversation on what I have and what they prefer (and it has happened). It's just the culture we were brought up in. It's no big deal to us but someone from a large city who isn't used to this or are not educated in the use and safety of firearms.

Sorry, I meant in a store or food line at Disney.

If somebody dropped something at the local Meijer's or Target by us I also don't think anybody would notice. Probably helps that they are right next to Cabela's.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

We live in the uk where guns aren't as easy to get as in the states, my wife for instance wouldn't have a clue about the difference between a spent round and a live one.

I find that hard to believe. One of them would have a bullet in it.

But to your larger point, when ignorant people are uncomfortable due to their ignorance, the impetus is on the ignorant to educate themselves, not on the well-informed to inconvenience themselves to accommodate the ignorance.

 

[Grimley1968]

Put tiny Mickey ears on one (plus a price tag) and see if it gets confiscated then.

 

[mergatroid]

I find that hard to believe. One of them would have a bullet in it.

But to your larger point, when ignorant people are uncomfortable due to their ignorance, the impetus is on the ignorant to educate themselves, not on the well-informed to inconvenience themselves to accommodate the ignorance.

Well I've just shown my wife this post from the OP with his attached picture of the item and asked her what it was. Her reply, "Looks like a bullet to me"

here is a link to essentially the same item. (with the ring in it and all)

http://www.qmuniforms.com/galls-308...gclid=CIDE9P-m3NMCFYsjgQodntIG9g#.WQ5MkdLyuUk

 

[RustySpork]

Well I've just shown my wife this post from the OP with his attached picture of the item and asked her what it was. Her reply, "Looks like a bullet to me"

It's so you can shoot your keys into the door lock from the mailbox.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well I've just shown my wife this post from the OP with his attached picture of the item and asked her what it was. Her reply, "Looks like a bullet to me"

That picture IS a bullet. You said "spent round versus live one." A spent round wouldn't have a bullet in it (the copper looking pointy part).

 

[sublimesting]

thought you guys would get a good chuckle.

the bottle opener attached to my key chain (that has been in the parks dozens of times) got confiscated at AK this morning. its an old 308 shell casing with the bottle opening section cut out.
i get it no guns ect ect but an inert novelty? i elected not to return to my car because thats a hassle and its a 5 dollar bottle opener. thus i handed it over
security had to call a supervisor to make the call and she didn't even know the policy they had to explain it to her.

we always here about the security scares so i figured you all would enjoy mine.

edit for theatrics: the security gentleman compared it to brass knuckles...

Last year they tried to confiscate my heel balm and also duct tape we use on our heels and toes (I had a small square folded on itself, so it was basically a 2 inch by 2 inch square of duct tape. I use it when I wear sandals as my heels get dry and it also helps prevent blisters from rubbing during the day. Anyways, security says "That's not permitted in the parks." "What? Why I've had it in the parks for 13 years!" "We don't know what it is, what is it?" "It's heel balm, as it says. It prevents cracking like the picture shows, see how slimy my heels are? That's why." "Care to explain the duct tape?" "Yup, it goes on our toes, see, we are currently wearing some but it falls off during the day." "They aren't coming in here, it's in the rules." "No, it's not." HERE COMES SUPERVISOR and 2 actual police.... I re-explained everything and they finally let me in. Sometimes they go overboard.

 

[mergatroid]

That picture IS a bullet. You said "spent round versus live one." A spent round wouldn't have a bullet in it (the copper looking pointy part).

The OP made that post and said that's what he took to the park, go back and look on page 1. When I responded to him about it that's the object we were discussing? He had described it as a shell case I believe and seemed astounded people would think it a bullet.

 

[njDizFan]

I find that hard to believe. One of them would have a bullet in it.

But to your larger point, when ignorant people are uncomfortable due to their ignorance, the impetus is on the ignorant to educate themselves, not on the well-informed to inconvenience themselves to accommodate the ignorance.

When I need advise on my car I go to a mechanic. When I need help putting up a website I get a software developer involved. I also have trusted doctors, lawyers, financial consultants and accountants that I consult occasionally for advise. Maybe I am not understanding your point. I should know what a .308 shell really looks like? What if I am from a country that does not have a huge gun culture like the US and I saw that shell sitting on a ride seat if it fell out of the OPs pocket? Sans keychain it certainly looks like a bullet. Especially if I just glanced at it and did not physically inspect it. I would call over a CM and may be concerned that someone in the park has a gun and was planning on using it.

I guess it's my fault for not knowing the minutia of weaponry and ballistics.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

When I need advise on my car I go to a mechanic. When I need help putting up a website I get a software developer involved. I also have trusted doctors, lawyers, financial consultants and accountants that I consult occasionally for advise. Maybe I am not understanding your point. I should know what a .308 shell really looks like? What if I am from a country that does not have a huge gun culture like the US and I saw that shell sitting on a ride seat if it fell out of the OPs pocket? Sans keychain it certainly looks like a bullet. Especially if I just glanced at it and did not physically inspect it. I would call over a CM and may be concerned that someone in the park has a gun and was planning on using it.

I guess it's my fault for not knowing the minutia of weaponry and ballistics.

No, I'm not saying you need to know those things. But people who don't know about those things shouldn't be the ones making rules about them.

To piggy-back on your examples, it would be like your software developer giving you tax advice. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't need to know what he's talking about, but he shouldn't be telling you what to do in that area. People who don't know about guns should shut up about them and stop telling people who do know about guns what to do. It doesn't really apply here, but the biggest example is when politicians and media people talk about "assault weapons," a term that means literally nothing and is used as a catch-all way to talk about guns that ignorant people don't like the look of.

 

[graphite1326]

Oh for heaven's sakes would everyone stop calling it a bullet. It's not a bullet.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Oh for heaven's sakes would everyone stop calling it a bullet. It's not a bullet.

Have you looked at the link? There's a bullet in that picture. It's obviously not live, but it's not an empty casing either.

 

[graphite1326]

Have you looked at the link? There's a bullet in that picture. It's obviously not live, but it's not an empty casing either.

refer to my initial comment.

 

[graphite1326]

BULLET!

 

[graphite1326]

It's a shell or round or cartridge. The bullet is the projection.

 

[RustySpork]

Are you sure that's not a pencil?