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bottle opener confiscated
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CaptainAmerica
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It is absolutely NOT just a shell. There's a freaking bullet in that casing. It's a fake/dummy bullet, but people were describing it as a "spent casing." A "spent casing" doesn't have a dummy bullet on the end of it.
A "spent casing" doesn't have a dummy bullet on the end of it.
graphite1326
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Well it does have lead in it and I have used one to write with.
RustySpork
Oscar Mayer Memer
graphite1326
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First of all it's not a dummy bullet in it it's a real bullet. The bullet is only part of what you have pictured on the right. When it is in the brass casing it's called a "shell or round or cartridge" Live shell if you prefer. You would refer to it as a dummy only because there is no powder in it and will not go off. Look at it this way do you call your car "tires" because the part of it has tires on it. Dummy bullet LOL.It is absolutely NOT just a shell. There's a freaking bullet in that casing. It's a fake/dummy bullet, but people were describing it as a "spent casing." A "spent casing" doesn't have a dummy bullet on the end of it.
A "spent casing" doesn't have a dummy bullet on the end of it.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Wrong. You obviously have no idea how these key chains are manufactured.
From the product description.
- Brass, once fired .308 (7.62 x 51) casing with dummy bullet
*See what I did there?
It doesn't help the pro-gun argument that anti-gun people are ignorant when we have ignorant pro-gun people like you running around.
graphite1326
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First of all I buy my new brass empty and it has never been fired (why would they buy shells that have been fired and go through the expense of resizing them to accept the bullet. Maybe you didn't realize or know that once fired the casing would need to be resized). Then you add the primer (never touched by human hands) for a spark. Then the powder. I use 43.5 grains to get to 3000 feet per second. Then the projectile or bullet pressed in to the length specified. To make it a dummy you take out the primer and powder. All put together it is a "shell or round or cartridge" Live shell if you prefer. Been doing this for 45 years. And how can you have a dummy bullet. It's either a bullet or it's not. It doesn't matter what it is made of it's still a projectile. See what I did there.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...ved=0ahUKEwjNxtPT5eDTAhUF3YMKHZHOB2MQ9QEIKjAA
Looked up dummy round: A dummy round or drill round is a round that is completely inert, i.e., contains no primer, propellant, or explosive charge.
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CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I don't know why, but that's what they do. It sounds like you have lots of experience in this area but that's not how these novelty keychain / bottle openers are manufactured. They're specifically made with used casings. I suspect they get them through some kind of recycling program where they're very cheap to acquire.
graphite1326
Well-Known Member
Army surplus. But the explanation they use is to incorrect when they say "dummy bullet". The whole thing is a dummy not just the bullet.
RustySpork
Oscar Mayer Memer
Vache sacrée!
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
I believe this is the most important factor. All the arguments about what constitutes a 'bullet', 'round', 'shell case', 'cartridge' or whatever word you want to use are pretty irrelevant to whether this item could be mistaken for something potentially 'seen' as dangerous or not. The fact that people who know about guns and ammunition are arguing over whether this item is technically a 'bullet' or not pretty much proves the point that your average guest could see this and think it's something that could 'potentially' be unsafe.
It's not whether the item is actually dangerous or not in this instance that matters, it's more the perception to those not knowing whether it's real or not that matters. It's like if I carried a taser into the park that had been deactivated and said I should be allowed to take it in because it's harmless and it's not my fault if other people's 'ignorance' means they're concerned if they see it as they may think it's real. I know a bullet needs a gun to be fired however the above posters example shows how an item resembling a bullet without a gun could still cause concern no matter how unlikely.
Of course Disney could have big signs outside the park explaining and picturing how bullets are made and work and not let you in until you've proved you can spot a real one or not by taking a test. Or they could just say to keep things simple they have the right to not let things in that 'ignorant none gun users' might mistake for something else? I wonder which is the easier of the two?
amen
mergatroid
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graphite1326
Well-Known Member
Very punnyWell you certainly gave it your best shot
