News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
Pixar really is an interesting situation. Chapek did not seem to be supportive of it at all but it is a bit of a chicken and the egg scenario. Who failed who first? Do they feel like the Pixar acquisition did what it needed to do and now its time to erase the brand distinction? Would make for an awkward situation at DCA.

An interesting observation related to this... Luca (Pixar) and Raya (WDAS) came out relatively close to one another. IMO the former was much better than the latter but look at the amount of merchandising Raya has in stores compared to Luca, even today, despite the fact that Raya doesn't feel like its all that popular (perhaps I am wrong?).

At first I thought it was because Luca would just be treated as one of the summer season IPs from a merch standpoint like Stitch and Moana but that has not been the case.
I hate using this term, because it gets overused on the internet... but I think the lightning in a bottle analogy is apt for Pixar. They just assembled and nurtured an incredible roster of talent, the kind that was probably only really possible with the dawning of a new technology. Even if John Lasseter didn't have the problem with the, um, huggies, the old gang was eventually going to move on in their own separate ways. Who is still left there from their original Murderers Row creative team, besides Peter Doctor?

Maybe Chapek didn't give Pixar the love they needed, but in retrospect, it seems the division was already past its prime by the time he took over. Especially because Disney Feature Animation has long since found its footing in the CGI era, after some initial stumbles.

On the other hand, Chapek never seemed like the right type to recruit and nurture creative talent.

And I don't think you are mistaken, Luca was much better received than Raya.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
23 millions I think or so that’s what I read earlier somewhere … plus stock? Has this been confirmed

Here's where that number came from -

"Bob Chapek leaves Walt Disney Co.’s top job with exit payments and benefits that could be worth more than $23 million. That’s without including the millions more he could collect in the coming years if the company’s share price recovers.

The amount is based on calculations by Bloomberg News using disclosures from regulatory filings. Disney hasn’t yet publicly disclosed the financial terms of the chief executive officer’s departure, and a representative didn’t respond to a request for comment sent outside normal business hours.

Chapek’s contract entitles him to collect a salary for the full duration of his term, even if he’s ousted prematurely. His term was recently extended to mid-2025, and the paychecks between now and then add up to roughly $6.5 million.

He’s also entitled to the pension he’s accumulated over his decades-long career at Disney. As of October 2021, filings show it stood at $16.9 million. That money is his, regardless of the circumstances of his departure.

As for the rest: he probably will get more, but it’s unclear just how much.

He holds a trove of Disney stock options, though most of them are underwater. If he had exercised his in-the-money securities and immediately sold the shares at Friday’s U.S. market close, he would have collected around $3.5 million.

He also holds stock awards he received in prior years that haven’t yet vested. Some of them will likely continue to vest even though he’s no longer at Disney. How much they’ll be worth -- and how many securities he’ll receive -- will depend on the shares’ trajectory after they plunged 41% this year. If they pick back up, both the stock and the options will swell in value.

Disney shares jumped 8.7% to $99.82 at 9:32 a.m. in New York, the most intraday since Aug. 11.

Finally, Chapek has a so-called non-qualified deferred compensation plan, which is akin to a super-sized 401(k) that many large companies set up for high-earning employees. It usually lets them invest some of their earnings into a selection of equity and bond funds. Around a year ago, Chapek had about $8.5 million in his plan, a figure that has likely changed given the recent market volatility.

For now, hardly any of this is etched in stone. It’s not uncommon for boards to strike bespoke exit agreements with CEOs, especially in contentious situations where they are cutting the person’s contract short. And if a board concludes that a CEO broke company policy or didn’t fulfill the commitments of the employment agreement, it may decline to pay the person at all. (Disney’s statement announcing Chapek’s departure and the reinstatement of his predecessor, Bob Iger, didn’t provide reasons for the switch.)"

 

sedati

Well-Known Member
Lucky stuff to live in the USA and vote for and voice support for any issue and who ever you want Scary stuff to protest in other countries such as Iran and not live to see another day.
Yes we are a free country and some use that freedom to eat Tide Pods.
 

bhg469

Well-Known Member
This thread is moving really quickly but I have some honest questions to those that are happy about this..

Are you shareholder?
Do you think you're going to get back what was lost under Chapek?
Do you think the parks will see any benefit to this change?
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
Here's where that number came from -

"Bob Chapek leaves Walt Disney Co.’s top job with exit payments and benefits that could be worth more than $23 million. That’s without including the millions more he could collect in the coming years if the company’s share price recovers.

The amount is based on calculations by Bloomberg News using disclosures from regulatory filings. Disney hasn’t yet publicly disclosed the financial terms of the chief executive officer’s departure, and a representative didn’t respond to a request for comment sent outside normal business hours.

Chapek’s contract entitles him to collect a salary for the full duration of his term, even if he’s ousted prematurely. His term was recently extended to mid-2025, and the paychecks between now and then add up to roughly $6.5 million.

He’s also entitled to the pension he’s accumulated over his decades-long career at Disney. As of October 2021, filings show it stood at $16.9 million. That money is his, regardless of the circumstances of his departure.

As for the rest: he probably will get more, but it’s unclear just how much.

He holds a trove of Disney stock options, though most of them are underwater. If he had exercised his in-the-money securities and immediately sold the shares at Friday’s U.S. market close, he would have collected around $3.5 million.

He also holds stock awards he received in prior years that haven’t yet vested. Some of them will likely continue to vest even though he’s no longer at Disney. How much they’ll be worth -- and how many securities he’ll receive -- will depend on the shares’ trajectory after they plunged 41% this year. If they pick back up, both the stock and the options will swell in value.

Disney shares jumped 8.7% to $99.82 at 9:32 a.m. in New York, the most intraday since Aug. 11.

Finally, Chapek has a so-called non-qualified deferred compensation plan, which is akin to a super-sized 401(k) that many large companies set up for high-earning employees. It usually lets them invest some of their earnings into a selection of equity and bond funds. Around a year ago, Chapek had about $8.5 million in his plan, a figure that has likely changed given the recent market volatility.

For now, hardly any of this is etched in stone. It’s not uncommon for boards to strike bespoke exit agreements with CEOs, especially in contentious situations where they are cutting the person’s contract short. And if a board concludes that a CEO broke company policy or didn’t fulfill the commitments of the employment agreement, it may decline to pay the person at all. (Disney’s statement announcing Chapek’s departure and the reinstatement of his predecessor, Bob Iger, didn’t provide reasons for the switch.)"

Enough of that what is Bob the incoming getting?
 

SteamboatJoe

Well-Known Member
I hate using this term, because it gets overused on the internet... but I think the lightning in a bottle analogy is apt for Pixar. They just assembled and nurtured an incredible roster of talent, the kind that was probably only really possible with the dawning of a new technology. Even if John Lasseter didn't have the problem with the, um, huggies, the old gang was eventually going to move on in their own separate ways. Who is still left there from their original Murderers Row creative team, besides Peter Doctor?

Maybe Chapek didn't give Pixar the love they needed, but in retrospect, it seems the division was already past its prime by the time he took over. Especially because Disney Feature Animation has long since found its footing in the CGI era, after some initial stumbles.

On the other hand, Chapek never seemed like the right type to recruit and nurture creative talent.

And I don't think you are mistaken, Luca was much better received than Raya.
I think Andrew Stanton is still around.
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
Animation:

Frozen II made big money. The two that followed were released to D+ on day/date, or had a shortened theatrical run and had good ratings. But Encanto became a cultural meme.

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Likewise for Pixar, Lightyear was the only one that did poorly. The others had shortened/limited theatrical release due to the pandemic, but otherwise got great ratings.
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I'm not going to bother defending the Star Wars series. They've all been doing very well.

I will agree that Disney live action has done poorly with their D+ movies (with the exception of Hocus Pocus 2 which had big watch numbers).

In the end, the claim everything is bad and falling apart and failing is... false.
What about Disenchanted?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Thats why I feel like the latest Black Panther deserves a pass. They had to make a huge adjustment and deviate from what had originally been intended.
I think they should have given it more time
Kang and the multi-verse seems like the answer but there have also been nods to the Skrull Invasion and Secret Wars. They have a lot of options but need to pick one.
But nobody knows what any of that is…which is the push to fringe problem

There’s a reason why “comic book geek” Is a term…gotta push towards main stream at all times
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
As the father of a 4 and 1 year old, can they please just bring back Mickey Mouse Clubhouse? Mickey Mouse Funhouse was a complete dud, but the formula for Clubhouse has this almost magic appeal to them... My wife in particular needs something new to playing in the background to help her sanity.

Some new episodes of The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse would be nice too.

Yes, I need things to distract my kids...
How about a proper House of Mouse revival for Disney+? That show still isn't on there yet for some reason.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Do we know what Iger's new compensation package looks like?


my life gold GIF
 

Dan Deesnee

Well-Known Member
That will be due to the lack of a China release if anything.

These things go both ways. Its funny how the "facts" dont apply to Dr. Strange or Spiderman. Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness made 300 million more than the original title. Spiderman No Way Home made 800 million more than its prequel.

Endgame and Infinity War are not the bar that the overall MCU needs to be held to.

Black panther made 100 million in China in 2018 at the peak of the MCUs popularity. It wouldn't have helped Wakanda much.

That's simply because people love Spiderman regardless of what's happening in the broader MCU. And Dr Strange multiverse might end up being the high bar for this entire MCU Phase, which would be sad.

The trend is there, and it's not good. The MCU has a string of mediocre movies and has lost direction. That is clear and will push box office numbers lower, and already is.

But like I said before, the X-Men and fantastic four will revitalize the MCU, someday.
 

jpinkc

Well-Known Member
The only thing I can say, is Thank God the Curly Howard (look it up kids he would have done a better job) look alike is gone. Iger, ugh I just dont know what to say about. Is he good for Business arguably. But is he good for Fans..... not much better than Curly. If Iger can walk back any of this stuff Genie+, any of the price increases, that I think most agree seem very Greedy on the part of Disney, then its a win. But that actually happening I think is a pipe dream. If anything Iger is there to make Wall Street happy and nothing else. He is there to trot out and do a better PR Job for the next 2 years (if they open Tron by then) while they look for the next Curly 2.0, to make sure that only people of means can attend his run down and dirty parks. Disney needs a Walt 2.0 but that will never happen with Bean Counters of today. Disneyland was made for families to come and have fun together. WOW has that ideal ever fallen!!

More to my point
 

Raidermatt

Active Member
I hate using this term, because it gets overused on the internet... but I think the lightning in a bottle analogy is apt for Pixar. They just assembled and nurtured an incredible roster of talent, the kind that was probably only really possible with the dawning of a new technology. Even if John Lasseter didn't have the problem with the, um, huggies, the old gang was eventually going to move on in their own separate ways. Who is still left there from their original Murderers Row creative team, besides Peter Doctor?

Maybe Chapek didn't give Pixar the love they needed, but in retrospect, it seems the division was already past its prime by the time he took over. Especially because Disney Feature Animation has long since found its footing in the CGI era, after some initial stumbles.

On the other hand, Chapek never seemed like the right type to recruit and nurture creative talent.

And I don't think you are mistaken, Luca was much better received than Raya.
The technology was a nice novelty when Pixar started, but it was hardly the main reason for their success. Others tried, including WDFA, but nobody achieved Pixar's level of consistent success. Pixar simply made good films. Sure, they knew the tech had tremendous potential. But they never forgot they were still making movies, and unless you are striving to be a one-hit wonder, the tech would not be enough.

Storytelling talent is always available. But Eisner's ego drove away the talent he and Wells attracted, and Iger, never one to shy away from an acquisition, understood the quickest path for Disney going forward was to mend the Pixar relationship and bring them in.

Pixar, who oversaw all Disney animation, quickly got the Disney side on the right track. But with Disney corporate calling the shots, Pixar is slowly being assimilated (Remaining in Emeryville has likely slowed the process). It's still a quality unit and it still produces quality films, but telling great stories is no longer the sole agenda.

Hard to say if Chapek has an ego to match Eisner's, but clearly building and maintaining relationships was not his strength. Nor does he value quality and talent all that much. While Iger is no visionary, he is much stronger than Chapek in those areas.

Bottom line, Iger was shepherding Pixar on a slow roll to mediocrity. Chapek, as he was doing with most of Iger's issues, was fast-tracking the process. We'll just have to see where it goes from here.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
I agree however I would like to point out it is still too early to really know what happened. If it was a hate crime the guy should be tarred and feathered but I hate to jump to conclusions before all the facts are in. Regardless, I think we all agree the guy should never see the light of day again.
with someone who did what he did, I don't hate to jump to conclusions when they are particularly obvious. It was a hate crime or he would have gone to a WalMart.
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
So people quoting “dont say gay” are saying blatant lies correct? The rest of what you saying or implying is irrelevant to the point im making.
No, it's called paraphrasing. It is a tactic, but not an false one.
There's a rule on this site about not referencing specific other sites. What's it called? Is there a don't say W***T rule? Most coyly work around this by referencing the "site that shall not be named." Now imagine that if any such reference was enough for expulsion. Worse yet, imagine if the list was broadened but done vaguely enough that no one was sure what sites were and weren't ok. Then add to the punishment the complete loss of livelihood. and the ability to self-police the forum that puts the power in the accuser. How many would even try mentioning another site?

And yes, I know these posts are breaking another rule, but I didn't start it and am shocked it's been allowed to go one and accept any consequences.
 

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