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Tom P.

Tom P.

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_caleb said:
Maybe they should bring back in-house orchestras to play films’ scores.
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They actually do that. It's quite common today. All around the country, they have showings of films where a live orchestra plays the score along with the film. Interestingly, I believe John Williams himself was the first one to do that -- at the suggestion of Kathleen Kennedy no less! -- when he did a special performance of E.T.: The Extra-Terresterial's score with the film for it's 20th anniversary, but it has since become quite the series of events nationwide.

 
Casper Gutman

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We have lots of actual data from 2022 - box office, number of film releases, contextualization vs past years - and we can read the industry press, which has discussed the issue in depth over the last months. We also have over 100 years of Hollywood history that demonstrates successful and unsuccessful reactions to frequent previous disruptions like TV, VCRs, and DVDs. We don’t have to go by vibes. There isn’t a lot of disagreement over the fact that audiences are willing to return to theaters but the product isn’t there. The issue now is to get a bunch of cloistered, arrogant entertainment executives and wall street “gurus” to course correct and admit they were wrong and that they wasted billions. For fans who’ve watched Iger cling to the idea that the Orlando tourist market was stagnant and then continue to sink millions into this assumption even as Universal proved it wrong over and over, this should not be an unfamiliar situation.

Theaters and streaming will both survive. Hollywood needs to get down to the business of figuring out what that means for the future.
 
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Serpico Jones

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Casper Gutman said:
We have lots of actual data from 2022 - box office, number of film releases, contextualization vs past years - and we can read the industry press, which has discussed the issue in depth over the last months. We don’t have to go by vibes. There isn’t a lot of disagreement over the fact that audiences are willing to return to theaters but the product isn’t there. The issue now is to get a bunch of cloistered, arrogant entertainment executives and wall street “gurus” to course correct and admit they were wrong and that they wasted billions. For fans who’ve watched Iger cling to the idea that the Orlando tourist market was stagnant and then continue to sink millions into this assumption even as Universal proved it wrong over and over, this should not be an unfamiliar situation.

Theaters and streaming will both survive. Hollywood needs to get down to the business of figuring out what that means for the future.
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Theaters are not going to survive. It’s a have and have-nots business and the haves are not enough to support that business moving forward.
 
_caleb

_caleb

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celluloid said:
I do not. I do enjoy my Regal unlimited membership though. You would not happen to be lonely with no one willing to go to the movies with you would you?

I find that most people pessimistic about cinemas dying out on my social media wall after Covid were people who were single or were not the social type. I get it, I am introvert. But its not the norm.
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No, I’m not lonely. Thanks for asking, though. It’s always a good idea to check in on one another these days.

By the way, I love going to the movies! I‘m a pretty big Marvel and Star Wars fan, and we like to make an event of it when a new one comes out.
 
Sir_Cliff

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Heppenheimer said:
Now, according to some online comments (not from here), we're wrong because we don't value diversity enough to give this film a chance. Maybe we don't. We definately didn't start watching Lightyear for some higher societal goal, but we did stop watching it because it failed to meet our immediate goal of entertaining us and drawing the attention of our two preschool children.

Yes, some pundits did focus on certain aspects of the film as a reason not to watch, but lets not pretend that others on the opposite sode of the aisle didn't use these reasons as a shield for the film just not being very good.

I'm seeing similar back-and -forth play out for Strange World, a film that most likely bombed from the combination of poor marketing, too high production costs and just not being particularly good, rather than the culture wars baggage that some have focused on.
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Sorry to circle back to this post you've probably moved on, but I do wonder whether in practice there has been much of a suggestion those who didn't enjoy Lightyear or Strange World don't value diversity. The noise around the culture wars has been included in the coverage of how both films bombed (far more so for Lightyear), but I don't think I've seen many people suggest the films themselves were anything special. Even outlets like NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour podcast that are very pro-diversity and representation in film seemed pretty meh about that one. In the case of Strange World, I have read a lot of articles on how it bombed, and none have suggested this was in spite of great reviews or ratings from those who did see it which would suggest not enjoying it would be due to some reason beyond the film's quality.

I'm sure someone somewhere is saying these things, but I would just query the extent to which any significant number of people really believe the only or even main reason someone wouldn't like one of these films is because they don't value diversity.
 
Tom P.

Tom P.

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I see lots of people in this thread saying they don't go to the theater anymore because their home setup is so nice. But no matter how nice a home setup is, I think it's missing a key element that makes moviegoing enjoyable and rewarding -- the experience of seeing the film as part of a crowd.

I took a quick snapshot of a page from the book "The View from the Bridge," which is a memoir written by Nicholas Meyer. He's the writer and/or director behind such films as Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Time After Time, The Day After, and The Seven-Per-cent Solution. I tend to agree with him. I think we are losing something important by only watching movies in our homes.

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Nubs70

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Tom P. said:
I see lots of people in this thread saying they don't go to the theater anymore because their home setup is so nice. But no matter how nice a home setup is, I think it's missing a key element that makes moviegoing enjoyable and rewarding -- the experience of seeing the film as part of a crowd.

I took a quick snapshot of a page from the book "The View from the Bridge," which is a memoir written by Nicholas Meyer. He's the writer and/or director behind such films as Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Time After Time, The Day After, and The Seven-Per-cent Solution. I tend to agree with him. I think we are losing something important by only watching movies in our homes.

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If the crowd is polite and has manners, I would maybe go.
 
_caleb

_caleb

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Tom P. said:
I see lots of people in this thread saying they don't go to the theater anymore because their home setup is so nice. But no matter how nice a home setup is, I think it's missing a key element that makes moviegoing enjoyable and rewarding -- the experience of seeing the film as part of a crowd.

I took a quick snapshot of a page from the book "The View from the Bridge," which is a memoir written by Nicholas Meyer. He's the writer and/or director behind such films as Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Time After Time, The Day After, and The Seven-Per-cent Solution. I tend to agree with him. I think we are losing something important by only watching movies in our homes.

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Maybe Iger will go all in on video game arcades
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Smiley/OCD

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_caleb said:
Comeback? Were you attacking me? I’m confused…
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You made the comment that theaters were dead, I pointed out that people thought records and record stores went the way of the dinosaurs and are back from ashes to over 1B last year. You made a snarky comment (or so I thought) were ok.
 
LSLS

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MrPromey said:
How about you two split the difference?

Here's the thing - Napster and then Apple, were essentially the downfall of the established music distribution system. Billions of dollars were lost never to be seen again and the recording industry exists today, a fraction of what it was.

That's good for some, catastrophic for others because it created a more level field allowing unknown artists to be found so for small artists and consumers, it's not bad news but for people who had the potential to be big-ish - not Taylor Swift big but someone you could buy at any store with a music section, they have less and of course, there are a lot of former executives and a lot of former people who once worked in distribution.

It seems unlikely that the streaming model is going to be some great new cash cow for old media but more, like the music business, it's going to destroy a lot of the profit they were accustomed to making and like how Napster gave way to iTunes, what's left will be stable but far less lucrative for the companies involved in producing stuff.

Unlike music, though, all those executives and the "little" people involved in making movies and shows will still be around needing to get paid.

If it was JUST TVs lunch, streaming was coming to eat, things might have worked out different but if it eats TV, Theater, and home purchase/rental, Disney's going to be raising the price of churros a lot in coming years.

We're also likely going to be seeing a lot less innovation and chance-taking with the stories they choose to tell since those stories will have to be able to push toys at Christmas and shirt and themed mickey ears in theme parks all year round.

With movies, failure was always baked into things - they needed a few movies to hit big to cover the loses for the ones that fizzled and still provide profits.

This new model leaves no room for fizzles going forward if you're Disney.
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Just FYI, I don't think it was Napster/Apple that obliterated the old music industry, it was the rise of highend software for low costs. When I was younger, we would go to a studio with close to a million dollars dumped into software/hardware just to get a professional sound. To do this, you needed a label that owned/contracted a studio like that and would front the costs, and take 90% of your sales. I can now create nearly identical quality in my room with a $250 audio interface, $60 software, a decent mic, and a handful of plugins for around $200. Now that I can afford to make it myself, I don't need to sign on with a record company that will fund my release but take 90% of the profits from what I made. All I need is a way to get my music to the radio/top of the streaming lists. Yes, they make less now due to streaming, but I honestly think the improvement in gear and the industry not finding a pivot really hit it the hardest.
 

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