News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!

Vegas Disney Fan

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I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but I would say - show some leadership, do something that will rock the corporate world, and increase the minimum wage for hourly Disney CMs to $15. Increase prices in food and drink to offset the cost. Enough saying that the cast members are what make the Disney experience great and start paying them what they're worth. CMs are the face of the brand and the ambassadors that either make or break a customer's experience. Do this and the morale will improve.

I took a quick look at their current job postings and didn’t see anything under $15 already, quick service was $15, laundry was $15, line cook was $19, bus driver was $18, lifeguard was $15.25, custodian was $15… I didn’t look at them all so it’s possible some positions are below that but I don’t think it would benefit many CMs.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
I was thinking more of CM morale. For guest morale, get rid of Genie+ and adopt Disneyland Paris' model.

I’ll disagree with the CM assessment. Throwing them $5-$10 an hour more is nice.

But if I were a CM. I’d rather have them define an attainable career path. I think that would do more for CM morale.

Tell me how - if I work hard, am responsible, and put in the time - I get to $50-$75k
 

Casper Gutman

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Yea that's a pretty bad take in my opinion. I'll give her a clear win for Rogue one, Mando and Andor. Everything else is suspect. Even Andor with everything good about it didn't really knock it out of the park from a general audience buzz standpoint. Theatrical star wars is a train wreck. She's cancelled more things than finished. And all but last Jedi, Mando and Andor didn't have troubled productions. I'll give props for what's right. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. It's ok to think some of the things she's done turned out ok, and at the same time think she isn't the right person to lead the franchise. You can't just base it on one thing either way.
I'm sorry, but fans are looking SO HARD for a reason to hate Kathleen Kennedy that it becomes absurd. You're even trying to denigrate Andor, universally critically acclaimed and clearly better written, acted, directed, and produced then anything Star Wars has produced since the OT, because it fails "from a general audience buzz standpoint" - however you're discerning that. You're also treating a franchise that was an absolute pop culture joke after the derided PT and is chock-a-block with risible garbage in the vast majority of the EU as though it has been consistently successful, praised, and beloved for most of its existence. It hasn't been. It is in a better state right now, today, then it has been since 1983.

Certain fans are so desperate to hate Kennedy, one of the most successful producers of the last 40 years whose resume is absolutely full of modern classics, and blame her for everything wrong with the ST, rather then blame Iger, the guy who has destroyed Disney parks and has PUBLICALLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY for the problems with the big-screen franchise. The hatred towards Kennedy has little to do with reality and what the franchise is actually producing and a lot to do with other factors.
 

JD80

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I don't hate KK, but she's had a lot more misses with SW than not. She has not been a good shepard for that franchise. That alone is worth her termination. She's been in the lead for quite some time.
 

correcaminos

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That was regarding Chapek allegedly saying it needed to be a cartoon clip show, right? I don't want to sound like i'm showing disrespect or calling that designer a liar, but i'm having a very hard time buying that Iger (the king of cartoon IP integration) actually tried to prevent that, or was in any way against it.

Regardless, I doubt the IP situation is what caused it to go over budget. I was under the impression it was the hardware/software involved that caused that.

My assessment is that there's a LOT of blame being shifted to Chapek right now. A lot of which is likely because people who also made major mistakes are trying to protect their jobs and are looking for a scapegoat. I hate the guy as well, and he deserves to be slammed for not using his year running solo to reverse any of this and simply continuing down the Iger path. But most of the things people are angry about were already approved and enacted under Iger's watch.
Nah he gets it for this one IMO. I don't love Iger but the blame IMO is squarely placed on Chapek and creative designers. And who gave thumbs up for keeping the barges in place. Chapek put his name on it. I'll let him. He isn't responsible for all the changes but Harmonious is his.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
I'm sorry, but fans are looking SO HARD for a reason to hate Kathleen Kennedy that it becomes absurd. You're even trying to denigrate Andor, universally critically acclaimed and clearly better written, acted, directed, and produced then anything Star Wars has produced since the OT, because it fails "from a general audience buzz standpoint" - however you're discerning that. You're also treating a franchise that was an absolute pop culture joke after the derided PT and is chock-a-block with risible garbage in the vast majority of the EU as though it has been consistently successful, praised, and beloved for most of its existence. It hasn't been. It is in a better state right now, today, then it has been since 1983.

Certain fans are so desperate to hate Kennedy, one of the most successful producers of the last 40 years whose resume is absolutely full of modern classics, and blame her for everything wrong with the ST, rather then blame Iger, the guy who has destroyed Disney parks and has PUBLICALLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY for the problems with the big-screen franchise. The hatred towards Kennedy has little to do with reality and what the franchise is actually producing and a lot to do with other factors.

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In all honesty. We’re in Jar Jar territory here.
 

CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but I would say - show some leadership, do something that will rock the corporate world, and increase the minimum wage for hourly Disney CMs to $15.
Disney’s minimum wage increased to $15/hr in 2021. Ask any DVC owner, they can go on for days about the impact of wages on dues. And they do.
 

Sir_Cliff

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Disney’s minimum wage increased to $15/hr in 2021. Ask any DVC owner, they can go on for days about the impact of wages on dues. And they do.
Are they annoyed that there is a direct correlation between wage rises and dues, or are they annoyed about the wages going up?
 

BobPar

Active Member
Again im no fan of Chapek and thought he was awful but what has he done that Iger literally wasnt doing or on the verge of doing next… Iger was better with the media and “hiding” what the company was doing vs Chapek outright saying it? Heck i rather someone being upfront with me than try and play me for a fool by making believe they care… as far as CM goes i truly think social media hate towards Chapek enhanced their hatred towards the guy personally and Josh still
Getting a pass? Iger gets to start fresh? After the avalanche he started?!?
 

erasure fan1

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I'm sorry, but fans are looking SO HARD for a reason to hate Kathleen Kennedy that it becomes absurd. You're even trying to denigrate Andor, universally critically acclaimed and clearly better written, acted, directed, and produced then anything Star Wars has produced since the OT, because it fails "from a general audience buzz standpoint" -
You really don't need to look that hard. I personally liked Andor I didn't denigrate it at all. I see no real excitement outside of the bigger fans. I've said many times, my circle isn't the end all be all. But no one in my family or friends or people I work with have watched. And they all watched Mando, Kenobi and Fett. That doesn't make it bad but is that what Disney wants?
You're also treating a franchise that was an absolute pop culture joke after the derided PT
Sorry, but I went to star wars weekends multiple times. In no way was star wars a pop culture joke. That's the statement of someone desperate to defend Kennedy. The prequels had their issues for sure. So when the sequels make the prequels look like oscar winning material, that says something.
and is chock-a-block with risible garbage in the vast majority of the EU as though it has been consistently successful, praised, and beloved for most of its existence. It hasn't been. It is in a better state right now, today, then it has been since 1983.
I've never been a supporter of the EU as a whole. There was a lot of trash in it just like with marvel comics. But within it, there was some absolute gems. The knights of the old republic story is better than everything in the Disney era. No chance that star wars is in the best shape since the OT. That's just nonsense.
Certain fans are so desperate to hate Kennedy, one of the most successful producers of the last 40 years whose resume is absolutely full of modern classics, and blame her for everything wrong with the ST, rather then blame Iger, the guy who has destroyed Disney parks and has PUBLICALLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY for the problems with the big-screen franchise. The hatred towards Kennedy has little to do with reality and what the franchise is actually producing and a lot to do with other factors.
So if people thinking Kennedy is not right for star wars is not based in reality, then what is it based in? What are these other factors? Personally I blame her and Iger. They both stink. But Kennedy is the head of Lucasfilm. Iger might have taken responsibility for the solo release debacle. But I never heard him take responsibility for the terrible story decisions that Kennedy approved. It was her plan, it didn't work. And people don't like her because she's been an absolute dill hole to the fans.
 

LittleBuford

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The prequels had their issues for sure. So when the sequels make the prequels look like oscar winning material, that says something.
I’m a casual Star Wars fan at best. In fact, I’d never seen any of the films until my partner, who’d grown up watching them, showed them to me ten years ago. I suppose the point I’m trying to make is that I’m not burdened by nostalgia when it comes to the franchise; it’s all relatively new to me. To my mind, the sequel trilogy is considerably better than the prequel films. (My partner agrees, for what it’s worth, though he absolutely hates The Rise of Skywalker.)
 

UNCgolf

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I’m a casual Star Wars fan at best. In fact, I’d never seen any of the films until my partner, who’d grown up watching them, showed them to me ten years ago. I suppose the point I’m trying to make is that I’m not burdened by nostalgia when it comes to the franchise; it’s all relatively new to me. To my mind, the sequel trilogy is considerably better than the prequel films. (My partner agrees, for what it’s worth, though he absolutely hates The Rise of Skywalker.)

I think the sequels are better films in terms of general quality (acting, direction, etc.), but the prequels have a better underlying plot. The prequels feel like they had the potential to be good if Lucas let someone else write the scripts and direct them based off his plots, whereas the sequels are relatively well-made films (although they still have flaws/are far from perfect) that are just kind of meh overall and don't really feel like they had the potential to be better than what they are.
 
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LittleBuford

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I think the sequels are better films in terms of general quality (acting, direction, etc.), but the prequels have a better underlying plot. The prequels feel like they had the potential to be good if Lucas let someone else write the scripts and direct them based off his plots, whereas the sequels are relatively well-made films (although they still have flaws/are far from perfect) but are just kind of meh overall and don't really feel like they had the potential to be better than what they are.
I think this is astute.
 

Tha Realest

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You really don't need to look that hard. I personally liked Andor I didn't denigrate it at all. I see no real excitement outside of the bigger fans. I've said many times, my circle isn't the end all be all. But no one in my family or friends or people I work with have watched. And they all watched Mando, Kenobi and Fett. That doesn't make it bad but is that what Disney wants?

Sorry, but I went to star wars weekends multiple times. In no way was star wars a pop culture joke. That's the statement of someone desperate to defend Kennedy. The prequels had their issues for sure. So when the sequels make the prequels look like oscar winning material, that says something.

I've never been a supporter of the EU as a whole. There was a lot of trash in it just like with marvel comics. But within it, there was some absolute gems. The knights of the old republic story is better than everything in the Disney era. No chance that star wars is in the best shape since the OT. That's just nonsense.

So if people thinking Kennedy is not right for star wars is not based in reality, then what is it based in? What are these other factors? Personally I blame her and Iger. They both stink. But Kennedy is the head of Lucasfilm. Iger might have taken responsibility for the solo release debacle. But I never heard him take responsibility for the terrible story decisions that Kennedy approved. It was her plan, it didn't work. And people don't like her because she's been an absolute dill hole to the fans.
Andor is terrific. I loved it. It will sell exactly zero toys and hasn’t exactly made much of a deep cultural penetration. Sadly, those things are what motivates much of Disney’s handling of IP.

Does she get credit for the D+ era Filoni/Favreau work? Sure. But she also has to take the blame for having about a 20% success rate at getting films to achieve liftoff (and the Rogue One production was highly troubled and very expensive).
 

_caleb

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I think Iger prefers to make decisions one step at a time, where Chapek didn’t seem to have the same level of leadership intelligence; he was more of a “stick to the plan”-sort of guy.

So when fans reacted badly to something, Iger would rethink and adjust–sometimes by changing direction, sometimes by throwing the fans a bone, sometimes just by changing how they talked about something.

Was this “hiding” the company’s plans? I don’t think so. Because Iger was genuinely open to changing course. So while we got a version of Genie+ that was no doubt planned on Iger’s watch, it wasn’t the only option, but likely one of several. Iger would have responded to the negative reactions in some way, while Chapek basically plowed through regardless and frustrated everyone in the process.
 

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