stevehousse
Well-Known Member
Wouldn't they just use busses like at WDW. That area seems like its only a few blocks down the road...
This is taken from the Disney and More website. Disney owns the two plots in red. The smaller one to the north is currently cast parking and is eventually slated to be a guest parking structure. The larger plot is currently cast parking and the Toy Story guest parking lot and would become the third gate. To the left of the larger lot is the Anaheim Convention Center. In between the two lots is the Garden Walk mall. It has struggled ever since opening and I'm pretty sure it was recently sold again. To my knowledge it was not Disney that bought it. Too bad because as you can see it would be a very nice piece of land linking area they already own. I'm sure the owners also thought that and demanded a hefty price.
It is rumored that Disney owns other land in the area as well under assumed names.
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photo credit http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-third-gate-for-disneyland-anaheim-yes.html
Everything I read showed Disney looking to expand their theme park business to new sites.. even before the EPCOT concept.. so I don't necessarily buy this idea that the Magic Kingdom had to be forced into the Florida Project. The site selection process would have been entirely different if the property wasn't intended to support the company's ambition to expand their theme park business.
But the known projects were not another Disneyland. There was the Mineral King Ski Resort and the St. Louis urban entertainment complex, but not another Disneyland. (Due to so many conflicting statements I am not sold that there was genuine desire by anybody of signifigance to build a Disneyland East at Flushing Meadows.) Before the EPCOT film gets made, Walt was even quoted as saying that in Florida they would do something like a theme park but not another Disneyland. In my mind it was the less risky second Disneyland that was pushed on Walt.Everything I read showed Disney looking to expand their theme park business to new sites.. even before the EPCOT concept.. so I don't necessarily buy this idea that the Magic Kingdom had to be forced into the Florida Project. The site selection process would have been entirely different if the property wasn't intended to support the company's ambition to expand their theme park business.
This is enlightening because we are agreeing on more and more! You're right that Jobs had decided that he wouldn't deal with Eisner but he came to that decision before 2002. Jobs was unhappy with the original movie deal and wanted to renegotiate. I think that could have happened except for the Toy Story 2 fiasco.
As you know, Toy Story 2 was originally slated to be a direct to video project but Disney decided (late in the game) to make it a theatrical release. Jobs felt that Toy Story 2 should go towards the Pixar contract commitment. But as we also know, since it was a sequel, it didn't count toward fulfillment of the original contract. It probably would have been for the best had Eisner cut Jobs some slack on that part of the deal. However, Eisner decided to hold Jobs to the original contract largely because of the intractable attitude and behavior exhibited by Jobs.
That enraged Jobs and he decided not to enter into any more real negotiations with Eisner. From that point on, every offer from Jobs to continue doing business with Disney was completely untenable.
Buying Pixar was about getting John Lasseter back into the company.
Well the other property concepts were different beasts from Disneyland. The St.Louis project was basically an indoor Frontierland based around the Louisiana Purchase featuring a New Orleans Square and an old St. Louis as the primary setting with attractions based on the Lewis and Clark expedition, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Haunted Mansion. And over in his hometown of Marceline, Walt wanted to repurpose the old family farm into a "Living History Farm"-type attraction.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I don't doubt Disney would have expanded the theme park business. My point is that it wasn't what he wanted to do at that time in the Florida Project. Florida was for E.P.C.O.T. A theme park may have eventually followed, but it wouldn't have been first, and I bet it wouldn't have been a Disneyland East. I can't say that for sure though. All I can say for sure is that Walt Disney didn't originally plan to have Disneyland East, until the board told him he had to do that first to secure funding for his city.
Before the EPCOT film gets made, Walt was even quoted as saying that in Florida they would do something like a theme park but not another Disneyland. In my mind it was the less risky second Disneyland that was pushed on Walt.
What about the "strawberry fields" area that they allegedly own? Is that the parking area? I really don't think that land is a sufficient size to build a park on unless they somehow scoop up garden walk as well
A second or third garage.If they use the (majority of the) current parking lots for a third gate, do they have other space available for more parking? Where would it be?
This might help explain his intentions:
What about the "strawberry fields" area that they allegedly own? Is that the parking area? I really don't think that land is a sufficient size to build a park on unless they somehow scoop up garden walk as well
After a struggle with CEO Michael Eisner, Roy Disney's influence began to wane as more executives friendly to Eisner were appointed to high posts. When the board of directors rejected Disney's request for an extension of his term as board member.See the rules of governance for the Disney BoD as reaffirmed in 1998 to wit:
"The Board reaffirms its retirement policy for directors, first adopted in 1974. This policy provides for the retirement of directors at age 72, or age 75 in the case of former Chief Executive Officers of the Company."
http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporate/cr_governance_timeline.html
Under the terms of the agreement that Pixar had with Disney, sequels did not count toward fulfillment of the contract. Direct to video releases were not counted as well.And how as Jobs wrong here? Pixar was now delivering a full-fledged theatrical release at Disney's request. Why wouldn't it count towards their deal? Because it was a sequel? The same amount of time and resources go into making a sequel as they do an original film.
TS2 would go on to make TWDCo billions. Jobs was absolutely right to be ed.
He didn't need to, he just needed to sit tight and wait for Eisner's outsized ego and arrogance to seal his downfall at Disney.
Jobs met with Roy E. Disney in 2002 and told him that he would never agree to another deal while Eisner was in charge. They had to meet in secret because of Eisner's paranoia; I'm sure you're aware that by this point anyone within Disney who spoke to Roy had to report the details of the conversation back to Eisner and he was forcing the removal of board members like Andrea Van de Kamp who dared to speak against him. Jobs and Roy were pretty much in agreement that Eisner had to go.
Its worth noting that Roy and Stanley Gold were surprised at the terms that Pixar had wanted in a new deal with Disney but Eisner could have prevented that if he had done a deal earlier. He didn't and so the Pixar hits began to mount up (Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo) along with Disney animation's failures (Treasure Planet, Atlantis), leading Pixar to want more because they recognised their worth to TWDC. The only person who couldn't see this was Michael Eisner. While 'Treasure Planet' had been written off and cost the company millions, 'Finding Nemo' had earned nearly a billion dollars and been nominated for four Academy Awards.
Jobs told Dick Cook that he was breaking off negotiations with Disney and then called Roy, telling him that Disney and Pixar were logical partners but a deal was not possible while Eisner was in charge. Roy promised that the two companies would do a deal once "the Wicked Witch is dead" and so all Jobs and Pixar had to do was wait for the ouster of Michael Eisner and then they would get everything that they wanted and more. Eisner's arrogance played straight into the hands of SaveDisney and the breakdown of the relationship with Pixar only accelerated his removal.
You can take all the snide little digs at Jobs and Roy that you want, when all is said and done who played their hand the best and came out of this situation smelling of roses: them or Michael Eisner?
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