Bob Chapek's response to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill

[marymarypoppins]

I don't disagree.

However, the US does have a MASSIVE problem with parents not talking to their children when they should and about the things they should...and it contributes in a big way to teen pregnancies.

Perhaps the answer is to have classes for parents to take to help them talk to their children?

Not the publics job to decide when a parent should do this. What’s right for you isn’t the ideal standard for all

 

[WDWFanRay]

If 99% of kindergartners saw the word "ze" on the page, they would look at you like you had six heads. Then they'd ask what it means, and in explaining it, math class just became a de facto lesson in gender identity.

My pronouns are ‘brilliant” and “handsome” Everyone please take note.

 

[marymarypoppins]

They ask what it says and you simply say “it’s a pronoun referring to Jaime” and move on. You may have to explain what a pronoun is at that point, as they haven’t been taught that yet - but then sharing the definition of a pronoun (a word that is used instead of the person’s name, for ex) - also isn’t teaching about gender identity. Or simply say “it’s a word referring to Jaime” and then you don’t have to even go into what a pronoun is.

It is not de facto going to gender identity

Yes learning how to use pronouns correctly not made up ones for people who need to be different .

 

[Angel Ariel]

Not the publics job to decide when a parent should do this. What’s right for you isn’t the ideal standard for all

Which is why there have always been opt-out options. Why aren’t those enough?

 

[flynnibus]

Don't think parents' rights are important to a lot of people? See Virginia.

Want to see a politicized pandering to the idiots? See Yougkin's slam campaign against the governor about parents and schools.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

My objection is towards those who believe that K-3 teachers are actually creating lesson plans on these topics, believing that it’s part of curriculum. I don’t know what every single K-3 teacher is teaching in their classrooms, but since these topics aren’t in the curriculum, I’m going to assume that most aren’t creating their own lesson plans on the topics.

I agree.

Are there rogue teachers? Since they're humans, more than likely.

But the answer isn't a blanket bill that gives parents carte blanche to sue schools and teachers and directly targets the LGBTQ+ community.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I agree.

Are the rogue teachers? Since they're humans, more than likely.

But the answer isn't a blanket bill that gives parents carte blanche to sue schools and teachers and directly targets the LGBTQ+ community.

Absolutely. My sister’s fifth grade teacher’s aide told the female students about her own sex life, toys she uses, the movement of her chest, and more on the day the students were separated for their sex education. My mom overheard my sister whispering to me about it in the car, called the school principal, had a meeting with the other parents and the principal, and the aide was fired immediately, and rightfully so.

However, that’s not really what we’re talking about here, as you said.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Which is why there have always been opt-out options. Why aren’t those enough?

This is what I’d also like to know.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You can call me anything you like except late for dinner

 

[misfitdoll]

The press secretary made it clear that discussion of gay families is protected and welcome; the bill is specifically about curriculum and lesson plans. Teachers cannot plan *lessons* on gender ideology and sexuality for these grades.

Unless you are currently raising children who go to school, you probably can’t imagine the gender confusion emergency currently raging. About 90% of the girls my daughter’s age (13) identity as NB or trans, and the number of detrans young women (and some men) who have been mutilated and cast aside by the booming trans medical industry is unbelievable. Please search out their stories if you don’t believe me. Keeping gender ideology out of early childhood education should not be controversial. Gender nonconforming gay and autistic kids are now being told that their innate differences mean they were “born in the wrong body” and they are sent down the “affirmative model” path towards irreversible bodily damage. I do not see this legislation as homophobic, in fact I believe in the long term it will protect young gay kids. Disney doesn’t need to weigh in on any of this.

So what are your thoughts about children who draw a family tree with 2 dads? Or mention their 2 moms while the class is discussing what everyone's families did over the weekend? Because a large number of lessons in grades k-3 are about the individual child and what makes them who they are, including their family and the people who love them.

How should a teacher respond when a child asks "why does Johnny have 2 moms?" when they have the possibility of a lawsuit hanging over their head?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The press secretary made it clear that discussion of gay families is protected and welcome; the bill is specifically about curriculum and lesson plans. Teachers cannot plan *lessons* on gender ideology and sexuality for these grades.

Unless you are currently raising children who go to school, you probably can’t imagine the gender confusion emergency currently raging. About 90% of the girls my daughter’s age (13) identity as NB or trans, and the number of detrans young women (and some men) who have been mutilated and cast aside by the booming trans medical industry is unbelievable. Please search out their stories if you don’t believe me. Keeping gender ideology out of early childhood education should not be controversial. Gender nonconforming gay and autistic kids are now being told that their innate differences mean they were “born in the wrong body” and they are sent down the “affirmative model” path towards irreversible bodily damage. I do not see this legislation as homophobic, in fact I believe in the long term it will protect young gay kids. Disney doesn’t need to weigh in on any of this.

Where is that written into the law? Just because the press secretary says it's so, doesn't make it true.

 

[brb1006]

Pride Month of this year is going to be very interesting for Disney.

Especially after last year when Disney gained tons of backlash after their twitter made a post related to Pride Month.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The press secretary made it clear that discussion of gay families is protected and welcome; the bill is specifically about curriculum and lesson plans. Teachers cannot plan *lessons* on gender ideology and sexuality for these grades.

Unless you are currently raising children who go to school, you probably can’t imagine the gender confusion emergency currently raging. About 90% of the girls my daughter’s age (13) identity as NB or trans, and the number of detrans young women (and some men) who have been mutilated and cast aside by the booming trans medical industry is unbelievable. Please search out their stories if you don’t believe me. Keeping gender ideology out of early childhood education should not be controversial. Gender nonconforming gay and autistic kids are now being told that their innate differences mean they were “born in the wrong body” and they are sent down the “affirmative model” path towards irreversible bodily damage. I do not see this legislation as homophobic, in fact I believe in the long term it will protect young gay kids. Disney doesn’t need to weigh in on any of this.

To dive into your comment further...I'm pretty sure you're misreading the results of one study - one which many professionals take issue with based on how participants were selected and the methods used.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

If 99% of kindergartners saw the word "ze" on the page, they would look at you like you had six heads. Then they'd ask what it means, and in explaining it, math class just became a de facto lesson in gender identity.

I had no idea what “ze” meant and I’m nearly 50. LGB makes sense to everyone, whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant, we all understand what it is and what it means, from T on though is very confusing, even for adults. How are elementary kids expected to comprehend concepts like this?

We aren’t dealing with explaining 2 dads or 2 moms, that’s easy, that’s a simple talk about love comes in many forms… we’re talking about changing gender, altering anatomy, taking drugs to permanently alter your hormones, preferred pronouns, etc. It’s a subject adults struggle to comprehend, there’s no way most elementary kids can comprehend it so all it does is create confusion.

It’s sad that gender has been interwoven with LGB because they are separate things and the LGB community is getting drug into a battle that has little to nothing to do with them.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I took Science. If you have a Y chromosome you're male. Hasn't changed.

I forgot about the whole sex vs gender argument, add that to the list of things that elementary kids won’t be able to fully understand either.

We live in very confusing times.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I forgot about the whole sex vs gender argument, add that to the list of things that elementary kids won’t be able to fully understand either.

We live in very confusing times.

You honestly believe that elementary students don’t have the cognitive capacity and intelligence to understand the difference between sex and gender?

 

[Midwest Elitist]

Sex - based on biology

Gender - based on norms

Easiest way to understand it

 

[ImperfectPixie]

You honestly believe that elementary students don’t have the cognitive capacity and intelligence to understand the difference between sex and gender?

Well, people think kids are stupid enough to not understand the changes that come along with puberty, so...

 

[Angel Ariel]

I had no idea what “ze” meant and I’m nearly 50. LGB makes sense to everyone, whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant, we all understand what it is and what it means, from T on though is very confusing, even for adults. How are elementary kids expected to comprehend concepts like this?

We aren’t dealing with explaining 2 dads or 2 moms, that’s easy, that’s a simple talk about love comes in many forms… we’re talking about changing gender, altering anatomy, taking drugs to permanently alter your hormones, preferred pronouns, etc. It’s a subject adults struggle to comprehend, there’s no way most elementary kids can comprehend it so all it does is create confusion.

It’s sad that gender has been interwoven with LGB because they are separate things and the LGB community is getting drug into a battle that has little to nothing to do with them.

I don't disagree with the bolded, but I would remove preferred pronouns from the list (the earlier ones aren't being discussed in K-3 curricula anyway). I get that there may be pronouns we all come across that we don't know, and that can be surprising - but the concept of addressing someone in the way they wish to be addressed and that being respectful to them as a person isn't a confusing or complex subject, for adults or kids. It's addressed without issue all the time when kids call a married woman teacher "miss" and they may offer up that they go by mrs. instead (or vice versa). Or when a teacher calls out "Benjamin" on the first day of school because that's what is on their roster, and the child says "I go by Ben." Even kids as young as kindergarten have preferences as to what they want to be called, by teachers and their friends.

I'm not suggesting that schools should be teaching lists of other pronouns, but simply saying that modeling acceptance and inclusion of what someone wants to be called - whether that's a nickname, a pronoun, a descriptor (autistic vs. person with autism, for ex) - is not "teaching" gender identity or a too-complex subject for that age.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

You honestly believe that elementary students don’t have the cognitive capacity and intelligence to understand the difference between sex and gender?

Not completely, how do you explain to a 8 year old (who doesn’t understand genes, chromosomes, biology, etc) that someone’s a man but also a woman at the same time?

Just asking for confusion.