Bob Chapek's response to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill

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Lilofan

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Disney wants to put meaning behind posts. Work out a way to either delay shift to Lake Nona campus or come up with a plan so employees can stay in CA and keep their jobs
I'm sure Disney has a plan if ones don't relocate from CA to FL and eventually lose their jobs if they refuse to move to FL. Hire FL locals to work at Lake Nona at entry level salaries is one option.
 

Angel Ariel

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Without commenting on this particular piece of legislation directly....What I find interesting is many putting so much faith in the public education system all of a sudden it seems, when the public education system continuously fails students across the entire country. Failing in math. Failing in sciences. Failing in reading. Getting beaten pretty badly by most other developed nations. Failing schools all over. Failing standardized tests...it is all a cesspool of failure across the board really. Yet some want to leave it to the professionals with things such as sex ed? Well, the professionals have been failing for years now...
The professionals' hands have been continuously tied by legislators at state and national levels forcing them to teach to standardized tests rather than do what they have the training to do. There are a lot of factors in the problems in education in this country. Putting it all at the feet of teachers as this post does is inappropriate.
 

lazyboy97o

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I said folks want their public schools to do, or not do, teach, or not teach, what they want. One person wants this, the other person wants that, it’s irrelevant what the issue is. You will never have 100 percent agreement on anything.
How is this better handled with this bill?

No. It's a parents' rights bill. Not a perfect one -- but I support the intent.
Why are the authors and sponsors claiming a different intent? How did they stumble into doing something else? Why let them be the champions if there is an issue that needs to be addressed?

That discussion on sexuality/gender for 5-8 year olds should be had at home. With parents.
Was DeSantis planning to try and change the curriculum?
 

Californian Elitist

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I meant 21st century kids on Social Media who support cancel culture, or the smart set at Yale Law School. Go back to the 20th century and college was supposed to be a place where young people were exposed to different opinions and ideas, and then they would make their own opinion based on a diversity of thought. That doesn't happen much any more in college, especially at the most expensive and exclusive schools like Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc.

It's a very troubling thing that young people in academia would not only refuse to listen to differing opinions at college, but would then actively try to prevent the person from even speaking their opinion out loud. Ironically, the event at Yale the kids protested was a presentation about the importance of "Free Speech". These children are idiots. 🤣

And yet there college students back in the 20th century and even earlier who refused to listen to different opinions.

Nothing new to see.
 

CaptainAmerica

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And, again - parents have always been able to opt their students out of these classes. The curriculum, as you can clearly see, is available to all. And the opportunity to opt your child out has always been there. No one is argiung against that.

But is this information necessary? Yes. Puberty begins for girls anywhere between age 8 and 13. For boys it's anywhere between 9 and 14. So to have instruction at age 10 as to what puberty is, how it will impact their bodies, feelings they might have due to the changes happening in their bodies - that's important developmental information. If you want to teach that at home, then use the existing opt-out options and do so. But to prevent *everyone* from being able to learn this information because of personal beliefs is not appropriate. There are families, unfortunately, where the only access a child will have to this information ever is at school. While we may not like that reality, it is reality. To frame it as teachers are teaching kids "about masturbation", rather than simply acknowledging this exploration may be something they experience during puberty is disingenuous. The former makes it seem like teachers are going to encourage it, or describe it in detail, etc. That's not what anyone is talking about, that's not what's happening in schools.
In a very practical sense, gender identity is a much bigger issue for me than sex and sexuality. I don't like the seeds of gender dysphoria being planted in the minds of impressionable kids who don't have gender dysphoria to begin with. That doesn't mean stripping support from kids who do, it means separating social work/counseling discussions from classroom instruction.
 

Angel Ariel

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Yes but their bodies may be developed but their minds aren’t! Surely with your educational background you hopped into a human growth and development class at some point. If not …..please…. attend one.
which would be precisely WHY there should be discussions, so that kids aren't afraid of the changes in their body - so they understand what is happening and can make better decisions about those feelings and actions (at age appropriate levels). Ignoring the issue entirely doesn't help them deal with the changes they experience.
 

CaptainAmerica

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There's a reason TikTok will never be installed on any devices in our house. Or SnapChat.

Same. I don’t have either. I do like cooking TikToks or life hacks TikToks, but other than that, NO, THANKS.

And this kinda proves my earlier point. Stay away from social media and the internet and you won’t face a bunch of opinions from millions of people.
You guys are kind of making our case on this point.

TikTok is filth. There are teachers who are active on TikTok and participate in the filth. If you ban your kids from TikTok and choose not to do it yourself, that's not going to do you any good if your kid's teacher is a wannabe TikTok star herself.
 

ImperfectPixie

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In a very practical sense, gender identity is a much bigger issue for me than sex and sexuality. I don't like the seeds of gender dysphoria being planted in the minds of impressionable kids who don't have gender dysphoria to begin with. That doesn't mean stripping support from kids who do, it means separating social work/counseling discussions from classroom instruction.
Being aware that some families have 2 dads and some have 2 moms doesn't create gay children.
 

Californian Elitist

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You guys are kind of making our case on this point.

TikTok is filth. There are teachers who are active on TikTok and participate in the filth. If you ban your kids from TikTok and choose not to do it yourself, that's not going to do you any good if your kid's teacher is a wannabe TikTok star herself.
We’ve been talking about teachers in schools. My mentioning of TikTok was in reference to cancel culture somehow being a 21st century invention.

I’m not sure what you’re saying here has to do with anything. I need some clarification, if you don’t mind.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Being aware that some families have 2 dads and some have 2 moms doesn't create gay children.
Did you quote the wrong person? Because I didn't say anything like that.

Telling girls that they can identify as boys and that part of the reason they've been feeling sad lately might be because they were "born in the wrong body" absolutely does create trans children, and it very nearly led to my cousin's suicide.
 

Disstevefan1

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How is this better handled with this bill?


Why are the authors and sponsors claiming a different intent? How did they stumble into doing something else? Why let them be the champions if there is an issue that needs to be addressed?


Was DeSantis planning to try and change the curriculum?
Folks just want to argue about this. All I said is, it’s irrelevant what the issue is. You will never have 100 percent agreement on anything.

For full control, the only solution is home school.
 

Angel Ariel

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Like most things, it would depend on the context of the discussion. I never said the bill is perfect. I just said I agree with it's intent when it comes to 5-8 year olds. It's a parents' rights bill. And Disney is foolish to have gotten in the mud to oppose it. Don't think parents' rights are important to a lot of people? See Virginia.
Virginia's election was way more complicated than education (said as a VA resident).

In recent weeks, Virginia has released records of who voted in the 2021 election. At TargetSmart, we are able to match that information up with each voters’ previous vote history, demographic information and other commercially available data to gain a better understanding of the electorate. While we never know who someone voted for, we know who voted.

Now that all the data is in, here’s what we know:

The senior vote surged. By a lot.

Turnout among voters age 75 or older increased by 59%, relative to 2017 while turnout among voters under age 30 only increased by just 18%. Notably, turnout of all other age groups combined (18-74), which would likely include parents of school-aged children, only increased by 9% compared to 2017.

These are massive changes in the electorate in an election that was far from a blowout: Youngkin won by just 2%.

  • Voters age 65 and older are an estimated 15.9% of Virginia’s population according to the census, yet accounted for 31.9% of all ballots cast in 2021.
  • 348,314 more seniors (ages 65+) voted in Virginia’s 2021 gubernatorial election than in the 2016 presidential election.
  • The Virginia market with the largest increase in senior vote share (ages 65+) from 2017 to was Charlottesville (67% increase), followed by the spill Raleigh-Durham market (48% increase).
  • Notably, turnout among voters of color also surged in 2021 compared to 2017: African-American turnout surged 13%, Hispanic turnout by 17.5% and Asian-American turnout by 37%. (An earlier version of this analysis compared final early vote data from 2017 to 2021. That error has been corrected.)
So what does this all mean? Did outraged parents swing the election? While it’s certainly possible that education motivated large swaths of the voter mobilization, there was not a surge in parent-age voters compared to seniors.

Source

Anecdotally, this plays out in who is bringing the rage at our local school board as well. It is, by and large, being directed and run by people who no longer have children in our schools.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Yes but their bodies may be developed but their minds aren’t! Surely with your educational background you hopped into a human growth and development class at some point. If not …..please…. attend one.
WOW.

I've attended several, thanks.

Do you really think there's no age-appropriate discussion to be had surrounding masturbation for children younger than 12 who are realizing that certain things feel good?

Sex-ed for children isn't all-at-once or nothing. It's not a one-time talk about the "birds and bees". It's ongoing, age-appropriate discussion that continues as they mature.
 

Angel Ariel

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In a very practical sense, gender identity is a much bigger issue for me than sex and sexuality. I don't like the seeds of gender dysphoria being planted in the minds of impressionable kids who don't have gender dysphoria to begin with. That doesn't mean stripping support from kids who do, it means separating social work/counseling discussions from classroom instruction.
IMO, not being able to simply acknowledge the existence of trans people is stripping support. Acknowledging existence isn't the same thing as planting the seeds of gender dysphoria.
 

Angel Ariel

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Didn’t do that. You’re assuming I meant professionals to just mean teachers. I didn’t.
Professionals puts it just on those in the education profession. It doesn't include legislators at the state and national levels, which is my point. Sorry that wasn't clear.
 

marymarypoppins

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WOW.

I've attended several, thanks.

Do you really think there's no age-appropriate discussion to be had surrounding masturbation for children younger than 12 who are realizing that certain things feel good?

Sex-ed for children isn't all-at-once or nothing. It's not a one-time talk about the "birds and bees". It's ongoing, age-appropriate discussion that continues as they mature.
Well as an actual classroom teacher we don’t discuss that with our students and if it presents itself in class we discourage the behavior. If it continues we contact parents and let them handle that topic. It’s pretty much the standard in most all districts but again with all your experience you should know that.
 
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