Bob Chapek's response to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill

[ImperfectPixie]

Oh, well that's what this bill is mainly about.



That's what this bill also says. Although it's calling out that sexual orientation not be included in health curriculum until after the 3rd grade. Which seems appropriate. Why are we even formally discussing sexual stuff with 2nd graders to begin with?

No one is teaching about sexual orientation outside of the already occurring sex-ed classes. So why are they bringing it up in this bill? What are they trying to stop/avoid?

Well, the bill seems pretty straightforward to me. It mainly lays out systems and processes that school districts must obey to allow parents access to their child's mental health records, if any, that a school district is compiling on their child. It also requires school districts to inform parents of the mental health services offered to their child at the beginning of each school year, and has a process for parents to opt in or out of those services.

Yes - there is already an opt-out available for parents to use. So why is this bill even needed?

For those of us of a certain age, all that seems a tad weird. But I guess that's what schools do now, employ psychiatrists and mental health counselors? In my day, there was only a school nurse in a starched hat who offered band-aids and Pepto-Bismol and could spot a fake doctor's note from 50 feet down the hall.
That's about all we had for "healthcare" in school.

Schools have been employing psychologists, counselors, paraprofessionals, etc. for many years already. I've been dealing with them at two schools for more than 10 years.

 

[Angel Ariel]

That's what this bill also says. Although it's including that sexual orientation not be included in health curriculum until after the 3rd grade. Which seems appropriate. Why are we even formally discussing sexual stuff with 2nd graders to begin with?

Again, I ask - is it not important to teach kids concepts like good touch/bad touch to curb abuse? These are all part of our state’s k-3 family life curriculum.

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kindergarten:​

K.3 Students will identify elements of good and bad touches by others.​

Descriptive Statement: Elements of good touches by others will be defined by the following: touching that can be done in front of anyone, touching that is not a secret, touching that makes the child feel good, touching that is done to keep the child clean or provide medical care, and touching that is an appropriate expression of affection by a family member. Bad touches will be defined by the following: touching of private areas/parts of the body (areas covered by bathing suit or underwear), touching to be kept secret, and touching that makes a child feel bad or uncomfortable.

Grade 1:

1.3 Students will identify physical affection as an expression of friendship, celebration, and a loving family.​

Descriptive Statement: Positive physical expressions of affection from friends and family will be presented. Instruction will include the difference between appropriate and inappropriate expressions of affection. To support this instruction, good and bad touches will be reviewed.

1.4 Students will identify strategies to respond to inappropriate behavior from family members, neighbors, strangers, and others.​

Descriptive Statement: Discussion will include methods of avoiding and dealing with inappropriate behaviors. Students will identify trusted adults who can help them if someone makes them feel uncomfortable. Students will learn how to respond to inappropriate use of communication devices.

2.1 Students will identify physical affection as an expression of friendship, celebration, and a loving family.​

Descriptive Statement: Discussion will include the concept that appropriate expressions of affection are healthy for the individual and the family. The student will recognize inappropriate expressions and demonstrate skills to respond to inappropriate expressions.

2.2 Students will identify inappropriate approaches from family members, neighbors, strangers and others. Students will identify trusted adults to go to for help and how to say “no.”​

Descriptive Statement: Discussion will include a review of good and bad touching and the difference between appropriate and inappropriate expressions of affection and behavior. Students will learn that it is okay to say no to inappropriate approaches. Trusted adults will include parent or guardian, teacher, guidance counselor, grandparent, clergy or religious leader, other adult family member.

3.2 Students will demonstrate how to respond appropriately to good touches and how to handle inappropriate approaches from relatives, neighbors, strangers, or others.​

Descriptive Statement: Instruction may include how to communicate a response to good touches, such as smiling or hugging, and how to communicate a response to confusing situations or inappropriate touches, such as saying “no,” avoiding the situation, and leaving the situation. Inappropriate approaches will include defining and identifying sexual abuse. Students will identify trusted adults in their safety network and will be encouraged to talk with a trusted adult about any inappropriate touches or confusing situations.

If anyone doesn’t think the “sexuality” referred to in this bill could be weaponized against the “physical affection” sections above, well - yeah, then I’d say they haven’t been paying much attention to how everything education related is being twisted for political purposes. I don’t think anyone would argue that the concepts above are age appropriate, and necessary for children’s safety.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I think the Left has fumbled on both CRT and transgender issues by refusing to condemn what may be outlier cases and saying that they are just that - outlier cases, not the norm.

Where I agree with this is that I think the left's strategy of just saying "this doesn't happen" ends up getting completely undercut if anyone can point to it (whatever it might be) happening once. A far more convincing argument (to me, anyway) is to say that you don't legislate to control everyone's behaviour to account for the extremes which, if they happen, are better dealt with in those rare instances that they come up. In this case, for example, the ambiguity of the legislation creates all sorts of potential nightmares for teachers, schools, students, and parents to solve an issue that there's no evidence exists and if it arises can be dealt with in better ways.

Does anyone want to live in a society where every freedom you have is whittled away until every scenario in which someone might do or say something that someone else might find harmful is avoided? Maybe if that question were put to some people supporting things like this and trying to ban books, etc. they would realise that they are doing precisely want they think they oppose.

 

[BuddyThomas]

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Does anyone want to live in a society where every freedom you have is whittled away until every scenario in which someone might do or say something that someone else might find harmful is avoided? Maybe if that question were put to some people supporting things like this and trying to ban books, etc. they would realise that they are doing precisely want they think they oppose.

The irony is both sides do this, then they complain about the other side using cancel culture, they just disagree on when it’s a good cause and when it’s a bad cause.

Live and let live is an outdated ideology, now it’s force your viewpoint on others.

I was just reading a story about the Roosevelt statue they took down in NY, now the same people that got it removed in NY are trying to prevent it from going to a Teddy Roosevelt museum in North Dakota that wants it, it’s not enough they removed it from their sight, they want to force their will on people thousands of miles away also.

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Disney has supported LGBTQ+ rights and fair treatment to an extent since the days before the Q or the +. For example, any non-profits that discriminate against gay people (like the Boy Scouts) would be denied donations like free park tickets.

Aside from that, “staying out the real world” is just foolish and irresponsible for an employer like Disney to do.

Disney was always inteded to be a place for everyone and step from reality which EVERYONE needs. But now its I can see that they just care about the rich.

 

[No Name]

Disney was always inteded to be a place for everyone and step from reality which EVERYONE needs. But now its I can see that they just care about the rich.

Lol what does this have to do with rich or poor? And I’d argue Walt’s vision of the place was always about improving our reality. The good old Spaceship Earth, a true fantasy adventure!

 

[Midwest Elitist]

I know enough that it should be banned from every school. It should be fought and eradicated. It is disastrous.

I have good news for you. As long as you aren't sending your children to law school before they turn 18, they will not encounter Critical Race Theory!

 

[Californian Elitist]

I have good news for you. As long as you aren't sending your children to law school before they turn 18, they will not encounter Critical Race Theory!

Or educational counseling, sociology, or any other area within social science. Critical Race Theory was part of my educational counseling Master’s curriculum. The horror, oh my god, no, ew.

 

[TP2000]

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The $16 an hour mail clerk in the basement will get a big kick out of that.

But Governor DeSantis won’t actually see it, nor will any 2nd graders.

But it will be dutifully filed away in a Tallahassee basement.

If you really want to do something useful, donate to the Crist campaign. Although polls show that’s a lost cause in itself, it’s more impactful than a postcard no one beyond the mail room will ever see.

 

[Communicora]

No one is arguing that parents shouldn't have access to their children's mental health or well-being records.

No one is arguing that children need to be taught about sexual orientation outside of the already established sex-ed classes.

What people are arguing is that this bill is purposely FAR too vague and is ripe for abuse by people with bad intentions.

ETA: The bill went through several rounds of editing...and was purposely left vague and open to multiple interpretations.

In my opinion, it is a terrible bill, but it was passed because of outrage caused by incidents that did deny parents access to their children's mental health records.

Here are two recent examples:

Lawsuit claims Clay County Schools withheld information about childâs well-being

A Clay County father said his rights as a parent were violated and now he’s taking the school district to court.

www.actionnewsjax.com

Parents sue Leon County Schools over its LGBTQ policies

Parents of a middle school student are suing Leon County Schools in federal court, claiming the district’s LGBTQ policies illegally exclude parents from gender identity discussions.

www.wctv.tv

Labeling it a "Don't say gay" bill is effective marketing because almost everyone agrees that is a ridiculous thing to legislate. However, this marketing and the poorly written bill mean gay families and students are now collateral damage in what is more likely a fight about how gender identity is being handled in some Florida schools.

 

[Lilofan]

Some of y’all don’t actually know what critical race theory is.

Racism is ingrained In American tradition and history. Critical race theory should be taught.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

In my opinion, it is a terrible bill, but it was passed because of outrage caused by incidents that did deny parents access to their children's mental health records.

Here are two recent examples:

Lawsuit claims Clay County Schools withheld information about childâs well-being

A Clay County father said his rights as a parent were violated and now he’s taking the school district to court.

www.actionnewsjax.com

Parents sue Leon County Schools over its LGBTQ policies

Parents of a middle school student are suing Leon County Schools in federal court, claiming the district’s LGBTQ policies illegally exclude parents from gender identity discussions.

www.wctv.tv

Labeling it a "Don't say gay" bill is effective marketing because almost everyone agrees that is a ridiculous thing to legislate. However, this marketing and the poorly written bill mean gay families and students are now collateral damage in what is more likely a fight about how gender identity is being handled in some Florida schools.

I think it goes further than that and that the LGBTQ+ community has become a tool in the continuation of anger and fear mongering for politicians that want to expand their base.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Racism is ingrained In American tradition and history. Critical race theory should be taught.

No.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

No.

In 4-year degree programs and above...yes.

Critical race theory (CRT) | Definition, Principles, & Facts | Britannica

Critical race theory, intellectual and social movement and framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is a socially constructed category that is used to oppress and exploit people of color. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of...

www.britannica.com

 

[Californian Elitist]

Racism is ingrained In American tradition and history. Critical race theory should be taught.

People feel some type of way about the facts regarding race in America, which is interesting, in a bad way. But as you stated, it’s in the blood and there’s no escaping it. Just like there’s no escaping potential discussion syringing sexuality, sexual orientation, and other related topics.

 

[John park hopper]

Racism is ingrained In American tradition and history. Critical race theory should be taught.

There is just as much racism in the black community as there is in the white community does CRT address that. Have not read about CRT but I my guess is no.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There is just as much racism in the black community as there is in the white community does CRT address that. Have not read about CRT but I my guess is no.

So we're going to make excuses for continued racism?

Read the link from Encyclopedia Britannica that I posted above.

 

[John park hopper]

People feel some type of way about the facts regarding race in America, which is interesting, in a bad way. But as you stated, it’s in the blood and there’s no escaping it. Just like there’s no escaping potential discussion syringing sexuality, sexual orientation, and other related topics.

Interesting so racism is in the blood of whites --please tell me what special gene codes for racism in whites that blacks don't carry

 

[BuddyThomas]

Interesting so racism is in the blood of white --please tell me what special gene codes for racism in whites that blacks don't carry

Oddly, this is not a thread about race.