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Bob Chapek Confirms Disney Will Overhaul Epcot

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
I find most Disney fans don't even like most Disney movies.
That's because most Disney movies (the live action ones from Disney Studios) are mostly garbage.

There have been about 125 theatrical releases in the U.S. (not counting nature and documentaries). The overwhelming majority have received middling to poor reviews from critics and audience. Sure, there's been about two dozen really good ones... in over 50 years and 125 movies. That's a horrible record. Additionally, the majority lost money in their theatrical window.

Now, the quality of the garbage has gone up recently, but those big budget flops, while great on the eyes, grate on the brain and on Disney's bottom line.

Compared to Pixar, Marvel, LucasFilm, and Disney Animation; Disney Studios is a business failure. Don't know how Disney, the corporation, tries to squeeze a few extra dollars from the parks which is making them billions, but lets the Studio slide that can't turn a profit in its theatrical window.

The average critic's rating for all Studio films is 55 and the audience rating is 64 (out of 100).

Compare that to Pixar (79 & 75), Marvel (70 & 77), Star Wars (72 & 74), and Disney Animation (70 & 71).
 
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That's because most Disney movies (the live action ones from Disney Studios) are mostly garbage.
That's how most fans feel about the animated catalog too. Outside of 10 or so favorites, most are written off, especially those released prior to The Little Mermaid.

Even the "good" live action movies like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea or Old Yeller are called boring because most fans have a very narrow view of what makes a movie sufficiently Disney.
 

phillip9698

Well-Known Member
That's how most fans feel about the animated catalog too. Outside of 10 or so favorites, most are written off, especially those released prior to The Little Mermaid.

Even the "good" live action movies like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea or Old Yeller are called boring because most fans have a very narrow view of what makes a movie sufficiently Disney.
I disagree.

On the animated slate Robin Hood, The Fox and the Hound, Winnie the Pooh, Aristocats, Jungle Book, The Rescuers, and 101 Dalmatians are from the period before Little Mermaid but after Sleeping Beauty and are all pretty popular and good movies.

The problem, and this goes for the live action slate as well, is that Disney doesnt show the movies anymore. Due to having two young kids my tv pretty much stays on either the Nick or Disney channels and if a Disney movie is airing its either Monsters Inc/University, Frozen, Lilo and Stitch, or Cars/2. Its rare that they air any movie outside of that bunch. They snuck in The Princess and the Frog one Friday, Finding Nemo about two months back, and The Good Dinosaur this past week but those are exceptions. Monsters Inc or some variation of Cars is on weekly. So while those earlier Disney movies are quite good and classics in their own rights they never actually try to expose the younger generation to them.

I know we live in the Netflix generation and a few of those movies are available for streaming but there still is something to broadcasting material. I wish i could just randomly turn to their set of channels and find Heavyweights or The Mighty Ducks airing.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I disagree.

On the animated slate Robin Hood, The Fox and the Hound, Winnie the Pooh, Aristocats, Jungle Book, The Rescuers, and 101 Dalmatians are from the period before Little Mermaid but after Sleeping Beauty and are all pretty popular and good movies.

The problem, and this goes for the live action slate as well, is that Disney doesnt show the movies anymore. Due to having two young kids my tv pretty much stays on either the Nick or Disney channels and if a Disney movie is airing its either Monsters Inc/University, Frozen, Lilo and Stitch, or Cars/2. Its rare that they air any movie outside of that bunch. They snuck in The Princess and the Frog one Friday, Finding Nemo about two months back, and The Good Dinosaur this past week but those are exceptions. Monsters Inc or some variation of Cars is on weekly. So while those earlier Disney movies are quite good and classics in their own rights they never actually try to expose the younger generation to them.

I know we live in the Netflix generation and a few of those movies are available for streaming but there still is something to broadcasting material. I wish i could just randomly turn to their set of channels and find Heavyweights or The Mighty Ducks airing.
It is possible much of the oldies but goodies will only be available on Disney+ later this year. Will be interesting to see what happens to the Disney Channel after that.
 

WDWTank

Well-Known Member
I disagree.

On the animated slate Robin Hood, The Fox and the Hound, Winnie the Pooh, Aristocats, Jungle Book, The Rescuers, and 101 Dalmatians are from the period before Little Mermaid but after Sleeping Beauty and are all pretty popular and good movies.

The problem, and this goes for the live action slate as well, is that Disney doesnt show the movies anymore. Due to having two young kids my tv pretty much stays on either the Nick or Disney channels and if a Disney movie is airing its either Monsters Inc/University, Frozen, Lilo and Stitch, or Cars/2. Its rare that they air any movie outside of that bunch. They snuck in The Princess and the Frog one Friday, Finding Nemo about two months back, and The Good Dinosaur this past week but those are exceptions. Monsters Inc or some variation of Cars is on weekly. So while those earlier Disney movies are quite good and classics in their own rights they never actually try to expose the younger generation to them.

I know we live in the Netflix generation and a few of those movies are available for streaming but there still is something to broadcasting material. I wish i could just randomly turn to their set of channels and find Heavyweights or The Mighty Ducks airing.
And Toy Story :)
 

WDWTank

Well-Known Member
It is possible much of the oldies but goodies will only be available on Disney+ later this year. Will be interesting to see what happens to the Disney Channel after that.
It would be cool if Disney+ had every single Disney movie ever made, including controversial ones, lost footage (if it’s found but being kept hidden from the public), old attraction preshows, retired attraction films, every single Disney TV show and special, EVERYTHING...................
:D
 

iHeartDisneylandCats

Proud Member Since 2016
In case people still don’t believe that the average theme park guest (not the fanboys, the average guest) wants as much Disney movie presence in Epcot as possible... here is a Disney College Program Facebook group page I’m in. For a small example.

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Let me ask you a question. Where exactly was figments signature?

Think about the answer to that question.
I understand that it was technically backstage, but I disagree with purging the parks of the small things that made them special. What REALLY should have happened is they should have moved it to somewhere onstage so more people could enjoy it without becoming "urban explorers". Disney used to have all kinds of small details, such as this, and the Mickey face in the MGM hub, but those types of things have been slowly disappearing for a while now, along with more notable icons such as beloved attractions.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
:banghead:

I understand that it was technically backstage, but I disagree with purging the parks of the small things that made them special. What REALLY should have happened is they should have moved it to somewhere onstage so more people could enjoy it without becoming "urban explorers". Disney used to have all kinds of small details, such as this, and the Mickey face in the MGM hub, but those types of things have been slowly disappearing for a while now, along with more notable icons such as beloved attractions.
It was backstage plain and simple. There are several other threads around the forum at this very moment that illustrate why the company can not encourage guests to go backstage. Tensions are high in that regard. I agree it could have been moved. But that doesn’t mean the company didn’t have a valid reason to remove it.

There are still tons of those little details all over the place.
 

trainplane3

Well-Known Member
It was backstage plain and simple. There are several other threads around the forum at this very moment that illustrate why the company can not encourage guests to go backstage. Tensions are high in that regard. I agree it could have been moved. But that doesn’t mean the company didn’t have a valid reason to remove it.

There are still tons of those little details all over the place.
The good thing is that it was simply something written in wet concrete. It's not like it can't be replicated. You just need a stick, a 2ft x 6"-ish patch of wet concrete, and whatever the curing time is.

Can't be mad at them removing it though, especially now with everything that's been happening.
 

Demarke

Active Member
It would be cool if Disney+ had every single Disney movie ever made, including controversial ones, lost footage (if it’s found but being kept hidden from the public), old attraction preshows, retired attraction films, every single Disney TV show and special, EVERYTHING...................
:D
That would be awesome! With my luck though, they would make everything available from just after Dumbo's Circus went off the air (which is the show I always looked forward to watching during the Disney Channel free preview days when I was a kid).
 
It would be cool if Disney+ had every single Disney movie ever made, including controversial ones, lost footage (if it’s found but being kept hidden from the public), old attraction preshows, retired attraction films, every single Disney TV show and special, EVERYTHING...................
:D
They have to withhold and rotate content, otherwise it will get stale quickly.

Back to the character show topic - Looking at a video from 1989, the costumes used are the rainbow-space-suit ones. A former CM interview on LostEpcot indicates it didn't start until at least 1986. I'd have to dig around more to see if I can find something more definitive.
 

trainplane3

Well-Known Member
Imagine if they’d moved the backstage gate back six foot instead.
Oh that popped into my head. Heck, move the front half of the gate back and flip it (if that makes sense, since it was a zigzag gate). Problem solved. What was once backstage is now on stage.

Watch now as this causes people to go searching for "the remains" of it and make this change have no effect.
 
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